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Does China Really Want to Be the South China Sea's Policeman?

It has become increasingly clear that China design in the South China Sea are not a passing fancy, the only question is what is the ultimate end game. What is also increasingly clear is that China is bent claiming the South China Sea as its own "Mare Nostrum." Perhaps someone should remind the Beijing commissars that you should be careful what you wish for because sometimes wishes come true.

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A 2015 Chinese publication of geopolitical strategist Alfred Thayer Mahan’s 1890 treatise, The Influence of Seapower upon History, carries an arresting image of an aircraft carrier on its cover. Featured on the cover of a 2007 edition of the same book is presumably a view of the South China Sea, and a yellow banner that asks, “What are the biggest strategic risks facing a rising China?”. With its critical access to the Straits of Malacca and Indian Ocean, the South China Sea is China’s physical and figurative Mahanian gateway for naval expansion and global power.

Mahan’s dictum that the nation that controls the seas holds the upper hand pushes China to seek prestige and profile through maritime supremacy. However, upscaling military capabilities and infrastructure in the South China Sea undercuts China’s grand strategy. Militarization blurs the lines between defense and offense and thrusts China into the costly role of regional policeman. It also casts a long shadow over any regional leadership aspirations and fuels an arms race in Asia that compromises China’s pursuit of world power status.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...oliceman-18819

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Thayer Mahan, could his thinking be a little out of date?
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The Kaiser was also greatly influenced by that book.
I don't recall as how it did Imperial Germany a whole lot of good.
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I don't get it. Does force projection necessarily entail being a "policeman"? They can meddle or not as they see fit, same with the current one.
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I don't get it. Does force projection necessarily entail being a "policeman"? They can meddle or not as they see fit, same with the current one.
Was the current one "meddling" in 1944?
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Thayer Mahan, could his thinking be a little out of date?
Perhaps so; what is really ironic here is the choice of Alfred Thayer Mahan, after all, Mahan was one of the patron saints of imperialism. With that being said Mahan understood that for maritime countries, such as the USA, maintaining control of the SLOCs (Sea Lanes of Communication) was crucial to national security. China was, an is, primarily a land power. Therefore we have to wonder what the actual interest is in Mahan's writings. The answer that comes back to me is imperialism.
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I don't get it. Does force projection necessarily entail being a "policeman"? They can meddle or not as they see fit, same with the current one.
There is an inherent risk in trading in the dog you know for one that you don't.
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Was the current one "meddling" in 1944?
Don't think so. Is the current one meddling in the ME? In Europe? In Asia?
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