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Hawaii's Independence Day - 170 years ago today

It is 170 years to the day that Hawaii's King Kamehameha III put an end to Britain's Royal Navy occupation of the island (with a little help from Commodore Lawrence Kearny's USS Constellation).

Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono! Happy Independence Day, Hawaii! Search: 'War & Son' and see their latest history article about it.
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[QUOTE=noires;2602504]It is 170 years to the day that Hawaii's King Kamehameha III put an end to Britain's Royal Navy occupation of the island (with a little help from Commodore Lawrence Kearny's USS Constellation).

Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono! Happy Independence Day, Hawaii! Search: 'War & Son' and see their latest history article about it.[/

Hawaii was only very briefly 'ruled' by Britain in the mid 19th century. And was voluntarily and with the lightest of touches.

It has of course been occupied by the US since 1898.
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It is 170 years to the day that Hawaii's King Kamehameha III put an end to Britain's Royal Navy occupation of the island (with a little help from Commodore Lawrence Kearny's USS Constellation).

Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono! Happy Independence Day, Hawaii! Search: 'War & Son' and see their latest history article about it.
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Hawaii was only very briefly 'ruled' by Britain in the mid 19th century. And was voluntarily and with the lightest of touches.

It has of course been occupied by the US since 1898.
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Hawaii complied but under protest.
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It is 170 years to the day that Hawaii's King Kamehameha III put an end to Britain's Royal Navy occupation of the island (with a little help from Commodore Lawrence Kearny's USS Constellation).

Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono! Happy Independence Day, Hawaii! Search: 'War & Son' and see their latest history article about it.

Natives know it as Restoration Day. The restoration of the government and recognition of Hawaiian independence.
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It is 170 years to the day that Hawaii's King Kamehameha III put an end to Britain's Royal Navy occupation of the island (with a little help from Commodore Lawrence Kearny's USS Constellation).
Thomas ap Catesby Jones deserves more recognition than has been given him by historians. He played an important role in the expansion of the U.S. across the continent to the Pacific Ocean. And he was particularly effective in the relations of the U.S. with the island kingdom called the Sandwich Islands, now known as Hawaii.
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There was even a brief (and very unsuccessful) Russian attempt to achieve dominance.
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Hawaii was only very briefly 'ruled' by Britain in the mid 19th century. And was voluntarily and with the lightest of touches.
So the didn't step on the back of the Hawaiians neck as hard as they did in other places?

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It has of course been occupied by the US since 1898.
Actually I don't think we occupied it (in a military sense) until much later. However, it was made clear that they were joining the USA one way or another. We needed a coaling base.
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Actually I don't think we occupied it (in a military sense) until much later. However, it was made clear that they were joining the USA one way or another. We needed a coaling base.

You're correct, it wasn't an occupation by force or otherwise. The Hawaiian sugar growers first tried in the 1850's to become a part of the United States to avoid tariffs but Washington denied it. Then the growers tried to negotiate a reciprocity treaty aka a free-trade agreement, that would allow them to sell their sugar without tariffs. This also was denied, Washington didn't even bother to hear it.

It wasn't until years later that the growers tried again, and finally someone in Washington listened. This was when the Hawaiian growers came up with the idea of granting the United States exclusivity to maintain military bases there in exchange for a reciprocity treaty. King Kalakua travelled all the way to Washington to convince President Grant, who accepted the offer.

In the summer of 1876, the treaty was drawn up, signed, and ratified. This was how the treaty read:


It is agreed, on the part of His Hawaiian Majesty, that so long as this treaty shall remain in force, he will not lease or otherwise dispose of or create any lien upon any port, harbor, or other territory in his dominions, or grant any special privileges or rights of use therein, to any other power, state, or government, nor make any treaty by which any other nation shall obtain the same privileges, relative to the admission of articles free of duty, hereby secured to the United States.

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Actually I don't think we occupied it (in a military sense) until much later. However, it was made clear that they were joining the USA one way or another. We needed a coaling base.
The coup that ended the monarchy was supported by Marines and Sailors from Uss Boston. The USA had already been leasing part of Pearl Harbour for some time before that.

Hawaii was taken pretty much to prevent it's use by "another power" in attacking the western coast in the event of a war. Also because it stopped the UK establishing a chain of bases from Australia through Hawaii to Vancouver and restraining the US from any expansion into the Pacific region.
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The coup that ended the monarchy was supported by Marines and Sailors from Uss Boston. The USA had already been leasing part of Pearl Harbour for some time before that.

Hawaii was taken pretty much to prevent it's use by "another power" in attacking the western coast in the event of a war. Also because it stopped the UK establishing a chain of bases from Australia through Hawaii to Vancouver and restraining the US from any expansion into the Pacific region.
AFAIK it was the American hard line fundamentalist Christian missionaries who were the most repressive - attempting by and large to eliminate most of the local cultural traditions as being heathen (and heaven forbid to do with sex) and replace them with a form of hard shell Baptism
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