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Russian mercenaries in Syria

Current and interesting report on this but its from sky news, so a grain of salt is needed.

Revealed: Russia's 'Secret Syria Mercenaries'
10 August 2016
By John Sparks

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Other than a limited number of 'instructors and military advisers', Russian officials have repeatedly stated that they do not need to put 'boots on the ground'.

The Russian narrative of low-cost conflict has been seriously challenged however by a group of young Russian men who claim that their country's involvement in Syria is far more extensive - and more costly - than anyone in President Putin's administration is prepared to admit.
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They did something similar in Georgia and the Ukraine.

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They did something similar in Georgia and the Ukraine.

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Georgia? With the local separatists?

It is known that Russians have been doing stuff on ground, fighting the rebels in some role. They haven't thought to my information participated in any major operations.
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The Russian Army invaded Georgia in support of some locals that did not like the way the national government was run. Not that Russia will run them better. The fact that Georgia had applied for NATO membership was a more important trigger. Putin can always round up some Cossacks, Chechens and "volunteers" to do his dirty work. The Russian Army then does not have to pay survivor benefits to the near relatives when they die.

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The Russian Army invaded Georgia in support of some locals that did not like the way the national government was run. Not that Russia will run them better. The fact that Georgia had applied for NATO membership was a more important trigger. Putin can always round up some Cossacks, Chechens and "volunteers" to do his dirty work. The Russian Army then does not have to pay survivor benefits to the near relatives when they die.

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But that invasion was triggered when Georgia first shelled Russian forces.
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But that invasion was triggered when Georgia first shelled Russian forces.
I do not always believe what the Russians put out. Who knows what happened first? Where were the Russians when this bombardment happened? This was much too convenient for Putin.

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I do not always believe what the Russians put out. Who knows what happened first? Where were the Russians when this bombardment happened? This was much too convenient for Putin.

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IIRC there was a UN report by a certain captain on who started it.
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I do not always believe what the Russians put out. Who knows what happened first? Where were the Russians when this bombardment happened? This was much too convenient for Putin.

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Invasion began when criminal (his country already condemn him) Sakashvili strike civilian targets with Grad.


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The OP leaves me does he think Russian mercenaries are the only one there?



That's an American Company but hire from all nations.
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come on John they are just as patriotic as GI Joes trying to save the world from cobra commander aka Putin
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But that invasion was triggered when Georgia first shelled Russian forces.
I believe the Russians shot a Georgian drone and that triggered it or was an excuse for invasion. You could probably blame everything on Abkhazia, that is one bad place.
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No I don't think they are the only ones, but we don't use them as cannon fodder like the former mercs interviewed said they were. Maybe its in how the Russian mercs were recruited. They didn't seem to have strict requirements on who was accepted. Just fighting aged men who need cash. American mercs are usually ex-military and have to complete a series of training before being deployed. They also are paid very well in comparison and so you dont see American security contractors being thrown into the breach as fodder. I could see them being utilized as guards and escorts but not direct combat. They're too valuable to be used to assault terrorist compounds. They are better suited protecting the valuable personnel and infrastructure needed to maintain the economy.

Meanwhile foreign volunteers flock to Northern Iraq to join the Kurds and fight ISIS on their own terms, on their own dime. They are the ideological opposite of ISIS, akin to a holy order of knights, although most probably are doing it for nationalistic and/or moral reasons. So there's no need for mercenaries really, especially when you have those 'uniformed' covert professionals with the best training money can buy and priceless experience from multiple deployments doing overwatch and taking out high value targets for you. Russia has done the same with some of its SOF soldiers but I think Russia too doesn't want to risk losing too many of them. I wonder how many Spetznaz have died in Ukraine and Syria already?
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Come on guys!

The Kurdish freedoom-fighters also have dozens of "volunteers", have been seen last year deploying from Fort Benning...
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The Kurdish freedoom-fighters also have dozens of "volunteers", have been seen last year deploying from Fort Benning...
When it comes to our American forum members, well they seem to have a rich imagination when it comes to everything "Russian".
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I dont try to assume what Russia may be doing. All I am doing is presenting a source and start some discussion. The Russian government may deny it but Russian citizens dont seem to care. They seem to have a bravado that says, "so what some of our men volunteer to fight in Syria". I'm just highlighting the differences in use of Russian vs other western country's volunteers. Syria is becoming more a proxy war day by day, with ISIS stated as the target but really its about whether Assad stays in power or not. For Russia, these mercenaries seem to be sent to make sure the balance doesn't tip in favor of ISIS or the rebels. For the rest of the west, the volunteers aren't really doing much according to this guy.

The YPG sees foreigners as propaganda pieces and thus tries to keep them away from actual combat. A loss of a foreigner, especially the capture of one to ISIS would be a severe setback, whereas it seems Assad and the Russian govt could care less if Russian mercs get killed or captured. Russia would probably claim, the merc was a volunteer fighting against terrorism for Assad, making Russia look better denying any involvement and not trying to help. One thing is certain though, both Russian mercs and western volunteers seem to be better motivated and trained than the locals they are fighting with, but their motivations seem to be different ($$$ vs anti-ISIS idealogy). At least Assad is cashing in on that experience and making the Russian mercs do his dirty work, but I could see where the rebels and ISIS could use this against Assad, broadcasting how Assad and his army is getting so desperate he has to deploy mercenaries. Meanwhile the YPG seems to understand the message and make sure foreigners aren't the ones out-classing the Kurd's on the battlefield. There used to be an all foreigner unit in the YPG, which makes sense since they could communicate with each other and have similar military experience, but maybe the YPG was threatened that they would be too effective and take the spotlight off of them. That would work towards ISIS' advantage, broadcasting how the Kurds have to rely on foreign volunteers to do their hard work.
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