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Alatriste has some great ideas in his post above.

Somebody needs to interview Thomas Goodrich, one of the most under-rated and under-appreciated western historians. His Kansas trilogy -- War to the Knife, Black Flag, and Bloody Dawn -- is an important contribution to understanding the early west. He has a distinctive style. His Scalp Dance restores sanity and objectivity to Indian studies and should be required reading for everyone. See if you can get Goodrich to do some writing for you.

Also, break this forum on the American West out of the larger frame in which it is hidden, if not buried, and make it a stand-alone entity so that it is the first thing people see when they do an internet search on the American West. This will also help to sell your magazine.
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cattle trails that came up from texas.The american cowboy had to heard there cattle through Oklahoma and southern kansas. Just to make it up to K.C. to put them on the R.R.
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1 Stories about the Texas Ragners .
2 Stories about life in a cattle town
3 what it would like to be a U.S. Marshal on the trail of a outlaw .
4 How it was to run a big ranch as opposed to running a small farm .
5 How they brought in goods for the general store in town .
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I would love to see an article that features my three pictures of the men who Garrett captured at Stinking Springs. I have tintypes of Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, Billy Wilson and Billy the Kid that were taken (probably) in their jail cells and in the alley outside where Wilson was allowed to walk around with the deputies.

Sallie Chisum collected these tintypes. I have no idea how she got them. (attached)






After Bill Pickett, Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, Billy Wilson and the Kid were captured in December at Stinking Springs the prisoners were taken to Las Vegas and put in jail there. Pickett was moved to another venue. The Kid and Dirty Dave were locked down. They were given new suits by Mike Cosgrove who had been a postman in Fort Sumner and knew the men.

Wilson was described as "depressed" and was allowed out to mingle with the deputies in the alley. On the morning of the 27th of December Garrett took his posse to breakfast. I suspect that at that time the prisoners had their pictures taken to be used as "mug" shots. Sallie Chisum collected the photographs and here they are. I found her entire collection.
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For a long time I studied that thing placed next to Billy Wilson's hat, and a package of tobacco that was placed on the little side table next to him. Then it hit me. That thing is his handcuffs. The three men were uncuffed to change into their new clothing, but neither Billy nor Rudabaugh were allowed outside their cells and their pictures show them close to the camera lens and inside their cells. Wilson is posed in the alley outside the jail, just has historians have recorded. Deputies described him as being "depressed". He looks pretty depressed to me. Dirty Dave looks defiant, and Billy seems to be enjoying the acclaim.

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There are no other pictures of Dirty Dave and Wilson except for some of Dave's head after it was lopped off by a mob in Old Mexico. That transpired about six years after Sallie's image was made. Redabaugh was a cold blooded killer, and thief. He looks like a hard case here. One of his claims to fame was that he was arrested by Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson and Pat Garrett. That is quite a pedigree.

Apparently he and the kid got along pretty well. They rode together for several months and tolerated each other's company. I've read that Rudabaugh was the only man who Billy was ever afraid of, but it may just as likely have been the other way round. Billy did save Rudabaugh's life on the evening when om O. Folliard was killed. Rudabaugh's horse was shot as they were escaping Fort Sumner where Garrett's posse had been waiting for them. Dirty Dave's horse was shot and it died after they had ridden for a mile or so. Billy returned and picked up the desperado, and they rode off together in a driving snow storm.
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I would like to see more on the Northern Plains Wars of 1876-1877, including battles between the Lakota, Northern Cheyenne against the US Army and its Crow allies. The Little Big Horn is the best known part of that conflict, but there is a lot of depth to be covered including causes that led up to the campaign, the mining of the Black Hills and the coming of the Northern Pacific Railroad, from the railhead at Bismark, D.T. through Montana Territory along the Yellowstone River, the two biggest reasons that lead President Grant to issue an ultimatum for the Sioux and Cheyenne to leave the Powder River Country of SE Montana. Heaven knows there is plenty written about the Little Big Horn. But there is so much more story to tell about this chapter in American history.
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I would like to know more about how water wells were "drilled" in the late 19th century on the arid high plains. Lack of water doesn't seem to have stopped people from settling in some very dry places.
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I am totally new to the wild west era so I don't know much about it. I would be interested in knowing more about the life of the Native Americans (indians), the relations with with men, their tribes, their culture ...

Also interested in knowing more about the life of the cowboys and other people in this era, the farmers, the criminality, the sheriff ...
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I would like to know more about how water wells were "drilled" in the late 19th century on the arid high plains. Lack of water doesn't seem to have stopped people from settling in some very dry places.
There were two ways of doing that other than simply digging it by hand. Partially, it depends on the depth of the well and what type of soil you are working with. For shallow wells, say under 100 feet or so and in ground that is mainly or totally soil (ie., soft) you could use a tripod hand auger.
This is a tripod version of the modern two man auger. This is a relatively cheap and portable drill so frontiersmen could easily get and use one. Portability is another good feature.
On the downside, it is a slow process involving considerable labor and won't work well in hard or rocky ground.



Back then, and today, there are powered versions like the "jeep" drill you can hire to drill a well. 19th century ones would have used steam power or a kerosene engine to operate them.

The next version would be the cable drill. This works by forcing a hole in the soil like a pile driver does putting in a pile. Here the drill is repeatedly dropped pounding its way into the ground. This is particularly useful for hard or dense soils and rock as it breaks the surrounding soil or rock to allow flow through it to the well.





This method isn't used much anymore due to improved drill heads that can go faster. This sort of modern rotating head with multiple cutters doesn't yet exist in the late 19th Century.
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