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Warfare by Other Means Economics, demographics, cultural, technological, and other factors that have affected the course of history.

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Barbary pirates were still making slave raids on the British and Irish coasts as late as 1644, for example almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631 in 1661 Samuel Pepy records men taken as slaves from ships boarded in St Georges channel so it persisted even later
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Barbary pirates were still making slave raids on the British and Irish coasts as late as 1644, for example almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631 in 1661 Samuel Pepy records men taken as slaves from ships boarded in St Georges channel so it persisted even later
Yes, those varmit Barbary pirates even caused problems for Uncle Sam, and as such 'he' despatched a punitive fleet and some Marines - hence we have the march 'From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of TRIPOLI'.

'Islamic' piracy and slavery had a great impact on the European economy, particularly the southern regions. Trade that had traditionally been plied by sea was often forced to be more expensively transported over land.

The early 19th century saw a drop in snatching Europeans, because of reactive pressures, but it wasn't until the early 20th. century it was finally stopped.

Slavery still goes on in Africa and some trading still goes on across the Red Sea and down as far as Yemen. I doubt if the Islamic world will officially apologise for it since their number one 'Prophet' is considered to be the model for all Muslim [males], and he was very much engaged in ownership and trading.

ps. Sobering pause for thought - it is almost certain that many 'Muslims' in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, and those who have migrated from there in the last hundred or two years may well have European DNA, from their actestors impregnating European slave women and girls.

Those 1001 Nights 'romantic' pictures painted of pale skinned harem bints do not portray the trauma and humiliation many of those European - and indeed other women - and even young girls - had to go through.

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There was an odd knock on effect.
  1. The Spanish in South America wanted to get out as much silver and gold as possible so started to use large numbers of the native population as forced labour in the mines (where they died in large numbers)
  2. The Catholic Church saw opportunities to make large numbers of converts amongst said local population going up in smoke because of this
  3. They strongly suggested that a better source of labour would be to buy slaves from the already flourishing West African slave markets mainly run by Arab slave traders.
  4. The demand from the Spanish (and later Portuguese,French and British plantation owners) squeezed the original purchasers of slaves, parts of the Ottoman Empire, who were outbid, out of the West African market.
  5. A new source of slaves for North Africa and Asia Minor was sought hence raids on Britain, France, Spain, Italy etc.
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