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Except that they are not the Founders...

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Except that they are not the Founders...

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"Reverend Robert Hunt, was the first Anglican minister in America and arrived with the founding expedition in 1607"
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"Reverend Robert Hunt, was the first Anglican minister in America and arrived with the founding expedition in 1607"
The Spaniards were around a lot before. An Italian scouted out the area that became New Amsterdam in 1524.

Not to mention that the entire continent had been home to people for centuries before 1607. There was no 'finding' involved.

Hunt was just another illegal immigrant slipping in to commit felonies.
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The Spaniards were around a lot before. An Italian scouted out the area that became New Amsterdam in 1524.

Not to mention that the entire continent had been home to people for centuries before 1607. There was no 'finding' involved.

Hunt was just another illegal immigrant slipping in to commit felonies.
But none founded Jamestown founding is a different verb to finding it's a shame English has declined so in the old colonies.
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But none founded Jamestown founding is a different verb to finding it's a shame English has declined so in the old colonies.
Its a shame that the colonies were foisted upon us in the first place...

OK, I've done my duty. I shall withdraw, allowing you to exclaim over the bones of latecomers.
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Yes, I saw this on Auntie too today. All very fascinating stuff too. It took me back to extreme youth when I used to sit for ages over some volumes in my local library covering the founding fathers and the immediate aftermath. I'd love to know what those books were, full of reproductions of engravings of the period.

It is certainly an historical (teaser) and a fascinating breakthrough in the study of the time. It also reminds one of how close the whole enterprise came to disaster through an in insane lack of planning and personal lunacy, coupled with the kindness of the locals (in feeding the starving wretches).
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"Reverend Robert Hunt, was the first Anglican minister in America and arrived with the founding expedition in 1607"
That was the first permanent English settlement in North America.

It was not the founding of the United States, to which the term 'Founders' is normally applied-and it applies to those who had a major hand in founding the nation-the signers of the Declaration of Independence, those who made the US Constitution, and those who fought and won the War of the American Revolution.

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That was the first permanent English settlement in North America.

It was not the founding of the United States, to which the term 'Founders' is normally applied-and it applies to those who had a major hand in founding the nation-the signers of the Declaration of Independence, those who made the US Constitution, and those who fought and won the War of the American Revolution.

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Well too bad the thread is discussing the founders of the Jamestown colony not the United States . You are just awful with context and comprehension aren't you?
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Well too bad the thread is discussing the founders of the Jamestown colony not the United States . You are just awful with context and comprehension aren't you?
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Not sure where the personal shot came from, suspect there is a background story from other threads. But...
In common American usage Massena is right. I caught the same idea from the title. It's not a big deal, but for non-US members that want to learn a small bit of American lore, here goes.

When we use the term "founder" it is usually followed by a descriptive term that further clarifies what they started. We describe many individuals as founders of something. "The Founders" or "Founding Father" only, is understood to refer to a political leader of the Rev. time period.
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That was the first permanent English settlement in North America.

It was not the founding of the United States, to which the term 'Founders' is normally applied-and it applies to those who had a major hand in founding the nation-the signers of the Declaration of Independence, those who made the US Constitution, and those who fought and won the War of the American Revolution.

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Politically,of course, that cannot be disputed. But the USA did not spring from a void, it inherited traditions, laws and mores from all the settlers that arrived before 1776.

As I understand it ,the "Pilgrim Fathers", commemorated in the celebration of Thanksgiving Day ,deserve some credit for the founding of the nation. The Jamestown settlement was virtually still-born, in the end.
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Not sure where the personal shot came from, suspect there is a background story from other threads. But...
In common American usage Massena is right. I caught the same idea from the title. It's not a big deal, but for non-US members that want to learn a small bit of American lore, here goes.

When we use the term "founder" it is usually followed by a descriptive term that further clarifies what they started. We describe many individuals as founders of something. "The Founders" or "Founding Father" only, is understood to refer to a political leader of the Rev. time period.
Just a FYI.
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The story was about the Jamestown colony. That was all the context that was needed to understand it was not discussing a founding father of the United States. If one can not realize that I'm sorry for them. This is another in a long line of "gotcha" post attempts by this poster, for instance when he berated me for talking about Abraham Lincoln in the American Revolution, but the problem being I was talking about a different Lincoln.. Why he would think someone would discuss Abraham Lincoln in context of the AWI is beyond me, but his desire to correct people outweighs his ability to correctly understand context. I find it incredibly humorous.
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Politically,of course, that cannot be disputed. But the USA did not spring from a void, it inherited traditions, laws and mores from all the settlers that arrived before 1776.

As I understand it ,the "Pilgrim Fathers", commemorated in the celebration of Thanksgiving Day ,deserve some credit for the founding of the nation. The Jamestown settlement was virtually still-born, in the end.
You are absolutely correct. But those mentioned above did not found the United States. They all contributed, along with their traditions and evolving institutions, to what became the United States, but the term 'Founder's in the historical and practical senses always refers to those who put themselves on the line to found a new nation.

Traditions in law and government were definitely English in origin and in the long line of development beginning with Roman Law, but the Founders were children of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason and founded something new, what Benjamin Franklin called 'a republic-if you can keep it.'

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Well too bad the thread is discussing the founders of the Jamestown colony not the United States . You are just awful with context and comprehension aren't you?
You've been in Russia too long.

The term 'the Founders' deals with those who established the United States, and that was the point of my posting.

Your ad hominem nonsense does not add to the thread at all. Give it a rest.

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