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Old 15 Jul 15, 17:50
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Regarding the BoB, The plane is not designed for circling over Kent. It is designed to attack a single RAF base with 60 planes and the 2 closest bases attacked at a time (120 Bf 110s and 60 Bf 109s in an operation). 12 Bf 110s approach close to the deck and 48 approach the base at high altitude. There is little time for Radar, TO and climb so some planes are destroyed on the ground by fragmentation bombs and strafing and the rest are attacked head on while they climb, any survivors are attacked after a second climb and dive. The few survivors encounter a wave of 30 Bf 109. While RAF fighters are being taken care of, the Stukas and twin engine bombers attack the base and Radar station.

As I explained, the Bf 109 is slower (she cannot outfly a SPitfire when she runs out of ammo, is short on fuel or faces multiple planes), climbs more slowly (providing more time for enemy planes to climb when Radar detects her), is less survivable (more pilots and planes lost over enemy territory if the single engine, prop or cooling system fails or if a small part of the tiny wing or horizontal stabilizer is lost), has a shorter range (both planes with or w/o tanks) and most importantly, the best pilots were chosen for the Bf 110 and lost in droves.

There is much more thrust than in the Bf 109 and without torque (as the props counter rotate). The wing is only 62% larger (280 ft2 Vs. 173 ft2), so thrust to drag is better. The weight of the pilot and cannon is the same so thrust/wt is higher. So the twin engine, single seat plane accelerates, flies, dives and climbs much faster and has a longer range.
But,but,but?

The "tactic" you describe for attacking RAF fighter airfields could have been tried by 109s?

The two closest bases would be Manston and Hawkinge,neither of which were crucial to Britains defence.

Go any further North and all of your birds have flown due to radar EW and observer corp sightings,all of your sitting ducks are now circling high above your sooper dooper planes.

Anyway,I'm not continuing with this nonsense,it doesn't become me.You haven't listened to a word I've said and anyway,wouldn't it be better for your LUFTWAFFY TO PLUMB 109S FOR DROP TANKS?
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But,but,but?

The "tactic" you describe for attacking RAF fighter airfields could have been tried by 109s?

The two closest bases would be Manston and Hawkinge,neither of which were crucial to Britains defence.

Go any further North and all of your birds have flown due to radar EW and observer corp sightings,all of your sitting ducks are now circling high above your sooper dooper planes.

Anyway,I'm not continuing with this nonsense,it doesn't become me.You haven't listened to a word I've said and anyway,wouldn't it be better for your LUFTWAFFY TO PLUMB 109S FOR DROP TANKS?
Worse, strafing airfields is also a fairly dangerous task. There are antiaircraft defenses and these would increase as the seriousness of attacks increased. Unlike the Allies in the late war period the Germans don't have the numbers to send aircraft for top cover, flak suppression, and strafing of airfields.
For the Germans such a raid would be a major event rather than the afterthought that it became for the Allies.
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