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American Colonial Era 1660-1763 The growth of North American colonies, often with a change in native & national control.

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French & Indian/7 Yrs War

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I've recently been reading Last of the Mohicans by Cooper (after playing AC: Rogue, set in the same era and area) and was wondering if there's any good or reasonable one-volume introductions to the history and course of the conflict?
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Hello all,

I've recently been reading Last of the Mohicans by Cooper (after playing AC: Rogue, set in the same era and area) and was wondering if there's any good or reasonable one-volume introductions to the history and course of the conflict?
Fred Anderson's The War That America is one good volume.
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Fred Anderson's "Crucible of War" is arguably the definitive volume on the war. It is one of the very few single volume books on a war that I would recommend.

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Fred Anderson's "Crucible of War" is arguably the definitive volume on the war. It is one of the very few single volume books on a war that I would recommend.

There's your answer. It's dense but readable. It is the best and probably will retain that status.
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I, too, just finished re-reading Copper's Last of the Mohicans and ran across an interesting author's note on tactics between the Indians and the Europeans/Colonials. Does anyone know a work that has focused on the tactics of this period?

Cooper's point was based on an interview with an Indian Chief who claimed in the Battle of Miami, the Indians could not stand against Wayne's dragoons because of their sword and boots. The point spoke to aggressive advance by the dragoons on the flanks before Indians had time to reload muskets.
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What do you mean- 'sword and boots' ? Full attack?
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Dragoon swords were an excellent close combat weapon--longer reach than a knife or tomahawk. Not sure what the boots implied, riding boots that allowed a quick flanking or in close combat, boots to stomp on moccasin covered insteps/bare shins? The author just quoted the Indian chief.
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All the better to kick you with .

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War on the Run by John F. Ross belongs on the reading list of anyone interested in this period:

http://www.amazon.com/War-Run-Conque...war+on+the+run

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Dragoon swords were an excellent close combat weapon--longer reach than a knife or tomahawk. Not sure what the boots implied, riding boots that allowed a quick flanking or in close combat, boots to stomp on moccasin covered insteps/bare shins? The author just quoted the Indian chief.
Those other 'Indians' fighting in this period - in India - usually had a uniform that included shorts, bare legs and sandals and don't seem to have had a problem - but then they were usually well trained in musketry with platoon firing and relatively fast reloading rates so that getting close enough to use swords and boots was more problematic
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While it doesn't cover just the French and Indian War the That Dark and Bloody River is an up close look of what was going on in the Ohio Valley at the time. The control of which was one of the more impotant issues of that war.
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If you read police logs you may notice that kicking someone is often charged as assault with a deadly weapon - a shod foot.

Also, the leather boots act as armor, protecting the leg from the knee down. I don't know any specifics about dragoon boots, but if they have some stiffness to them in order to protect the leg from brush, they'd probably be significantly better than the uniform fabric protecting the rest of the body. When all you have is a knife or tomahawk a boot coming at you is pretty formidable.
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If you read police logs you may notice that kicking someone is often charged as assault with a deadly weapon - a shod foot.

Also, the leather boots act as armor, protecting the leg from the knee down. I don't know any specifics about dragoon boots, but if they have some stiffness to them in order to protect the leg from brush, they'd probably be significantly better than the uniform fabric protecting the rest of the body. When all you have is a knife or tomahawk a boot coming at you is pretty formidable.
I do believe that a good boot or glove can protect the user from harm during an assault.
I've used my work boots to good use when a Husky attacked me allowing him to bite one foot pinning his jaw to the ground while I placing the other over his rib cage and gently transferring my weight snapping some floating ribs.
Another time a German Shepard attacked me and I used my gloved hand to stuff my fist down it's throat this also worked thank god for winter clothing.

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