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Most of the articles I've seen fall into two camps regarding Europe:
  1. The Euro-zone countries (at the least) must institute a coordinated fiscal policy, accepting the loss of some sovereignty in order to make the currency union viable.
  2. Without fiscal integration the Euro will eventually collapse. Monetary policy alone is not powerful enough for the Euro to continue to function as it is.
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Most of the articles I've seen fall into two camps regarding Europe:
  1. The Euro-zone countries (at the least) must institute a coordinated fiscal policy, accepting the loss of some sovereignty in order to make the currency union viable.
  2. Without fiscal integration the Euro will eventually collapse. Monetary policy alone is not powerful enough for the Euro to continue to function as it is.
Fiscal policy is the job of the ECB. They have recently launched a huge QE programme but years after the US and UK did theirs. This suggests the ECB took literally years to agree on fiscal policy while their respective economies floundered. If the EU is not going to deliver economic benefit it loses one of its key purposes, the other one being to help ensure peace between nations.
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We need to have the Illuminati step in and sort all this out.
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Here's a globalization factor to consider;
Have we reached 'peak food'? Shortages loom as global production rates slow

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The world has entered an era of “peak food” production with an array of staples from corn and rice to wheat and chicken slowing in growth – with potentially disastrous consequences for feeding the planet.

New research finds that the supply of 21 staples, such as eggs, meat, vegetables and soybeans is already beginning to run out of momentum, while the global population continues to soar.
Peak chicken was in 2006, while milk and wheat both peaked in 2004 and rice peaked way back in 1988, according to new research from Yale University, Michigan State University and the Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research in Germany.
What makes the report particularly alarming is that so many crucial sources of food have peaked in a relatively short period of history, the researchers said.
“People often talk of substitution. If we run out of one substance we just substitute another. But if multiple resources are running out, we’ve got a problem. Mankind needs to accept that renewable raw materials are reaching their yield limits worldwide,” said Jianguo “Jack” Liu, of Michigan State University.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-10009185.html
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Interesting point but as is often the case, it cuts both ways. Malthusian arguments are often hard to decide on because humans are universally bad at predicting the future on large scales and more than a few years out.

Globalization has contributed to third world hunger by dumping excess production from developed countries on parts of the third world, destroying their markets in the process. However the expansion of trade also promotes economic growth that enables more people to buy the food they need. In parallel with both of these trends, advances in agriculture continue to allow fewer farmers to feed more people. Despite the hype and fear mongering, GMO derived crops are set to repeat the miracle of the Green Revolution of the last century.

Looking only a little farther out, it is likely we will be able to manufacture food directly from inedible feed stocks. If successful, that would make the planet's food supply functionally unlimited. However it might also have the side effect of putting nearly the entire agricultural sector of the human race out of work. The actual economics of such a transformation will not be known for some time of course.
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Here's a globalization factor to consider;
Have we reached 'peak food'? Shortages loom as global production rates slow

EXCERPT:
The world has entered an era of “peak food” production with an array of staples from corn and rice to wheat and chicken slowing in growth – with potentially disastrous consequences for feeding the planet.

New research finds that the supply of 21 staples, such as eggs, meat, vegetables and soybeans is already beginning to run out of momentum, while the global population continues to soar.
Peak chicken was in 2006, while milk and wheat both peaked in 2004 and rice peaked way back in 1988, according to new research from Yale University, Michigan State University and the Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research in Germany.
What makes the report particularly alarming is that so many crucial sources of food have peaked in a relatively short period of history, the researchers said.
“People often talk of substitution. If we run out of one substance we just substitute another. But if multiple resources are running out, we’ve got a problem. Mankind needs to accept that renewable raw materials are reaching their yield limits worldwide,” said Jianguo “Jack” Liu, of Michigan State University.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-10009185.html
Of course we've reached peak food: and there are other examples, such as The Economist running articles on how the oceans are now grossly overfished. The world is disastrously overpopulated with humans and maybe it's time to start talking about that rather than about the faked "Global Warming."

However, I don't see how resources running out is an issue of warfare by other means?
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^ Resources running out or getting more scarce would be the cause of more warfare around the globe ....

Meanwhile;
5 Reasons Peak Food Is the World's Number One Ticking Time Bomb
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...omb/ar-AA94JzQ
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^ A key factor overlooked by many is that the Sun is not one of a "stable climate" of it's own. Its energy output varies and latest indications are that it will start a "cooling phase" of energy output within the next year or two which will last for the next 30-40 years. Detailed more in this thread on this forum;
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=154269
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Shifting gears slightly;

Another thread on this forum has presented a couple of articles by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters(Ret.) that would seem to complement the themes here, or the themes here compliment them ;
The thread;
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=156052

Constant Conflict (21st Century forecast)
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3011.htm

Spotting the Losers: Seven Signs of Non-Competitive States

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.arm...ing/peters.htm
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However, I don't see how resources running out is an issue of warfare by other means?
The one example that most quickly comes to mind is Somalia in the early `90s. Civil wars drove farmers and herders off their land and at the same time helped to collapse the limited economy. And then there was the drought.

With no food and no money to buy food, the UN and a number of NGOs entered in an attempt to provide large scale food aid. Control of food supplies and distribution became a point of contention between the warring factions. Protecting the distribution of food aid was what brought US forces into the country to begin with.

In between offensives, cease fires, and interventions, controlling the distribution of food to millions of starving people was definitely a acceptable means to an end for Somalia's warlords and clan leaders.
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The EU had potential but I think it is failing as a concept.

The EU economies combined are a rival for the US, Japan and China, in GDP terms. This economic bulk has not translated into robust economic performance, though it has delivered a vast, expensive and, to my eyes, self serving bureaucracy that sucks up tax payers money.

It is also involved the creation of a number of political and law making bodies that to my politics are sickeningly left wing. The crowning achievement of this ultra liberalism is the Human Rights Act, a charter for illegal immigrants.

Speaking more broadly, Globalisation has sharpened the divide between winners and losers. Inefficiency is punished mercilessly. It has probably made for a more angry and violent world but I doubt there is any going back.
Yes,that's what the euromaniacs keep telling us;"We" (I use that term loosely) have the "Worlds largest economy"!
Well I suppose we might have,I don't know BUT I do know that whatever it is,is then divvied up between 28 very,very disparate countries!

Therefore if these countries weren't in the eu because it didn't exist and we totted up all of their GDPs then I'd imagine the figure would be pretty damn high too,no?

Except of course that would be considerably fairer and that just won't do!

Another thing the euromaniacs like to tell us is that without the eu we would have no "clout" when trade is discussed with the rest of the World.

Well I rather think we'd have considerably more clout than the current 1/28th of the unelected ,non democratic entity we do currently enjoy.
Now at the risk of sounding nationalistic (heaven forbid) I believe we ought to have more of the famous "clout" than say Greece,Portugal or Romania,wouldn't you say that was fair?
Or better still,our very own "clout",a "clout" unfettered by eu bullpoop!
"Clout",it's a lovely word innit,the euros just lurv it!

What I want to know is how something like the EEC which we voted to join in the 60s and wasn't too bad an idea back then has morphed into the eu monster when not one single person ever voted for that to happen..............EVER!

I and everybody else born after 1955 have never had a say in the whole thing.
That's right folks,not one single UK citizen under the age of 60 has been able to express their support or rejection for these rather important matters!!!
Can that be right in the "free West"?

Uh oh,I hope emtos and the commiecronies aren't reading this thread!
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