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They may not have the most ideal relationship but they are treated much better by Jews than Muslims.
That I agree on. Israel is reacting to being under siege.

The proposal to create an autonomous Zone in the Golan, that allows Christians to efficiently run businesses in the West Bank was called the Allon Plan and was proposed by Yidgal Allon in the late 1960's.

the difficulty we face is the erosion of population, and the main source of that has been alley level Muslim oppression .

I'm glad, Persephone, that you are studying the Bedouin, who's relationship to Israel has been "complex."
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That I agree on. Israel is reacting to being under siege.

The proposal to create an autonomous Zone in the Golan, that allows Christians to efficiently run businesses in the West Bank was called the Allon Plan and was proposed by Yidgal Allon in the late 1960's.

the difficulty we face is the erosion of population, and the main source of that has been alley level Muslim oppression .

I'm glad, Persephone, that you are studying the Bedouin, who's relationship to Israel has been "complex."

I'm not totally unreasonable!

I'm starting to understand where you are coming from, your posts I mean.
I have no loyalty to any sides in this conflict. My opinions are simply that, my opinions from what I read on the issue(s).
It just happens that I sympathize with Israel more often than not.


I would also like to apologize to Sergio for derailing this Ceasefire thread.
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No problem - the detour made it far more interesting
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More than a full month has passed since the end of operations, the month of September. During this month, there was only one attack from Gaza against Israeli territory, a mortar round fired on September 16 in the area of Eshkol.

This is actually exceptionally good as far as so-called Hamas ceasefires go. After the unilateral so-called ceasefire of January 2009, in the first full month following it, i.e. February 2009, indiscriminate attacks against Israeli civilian areas were brought from Gaza on February 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27 and 28.

Maybe Hamas is slowly learning what "ceasefire" means?
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I'm really shocked. I would've lost some serious amount of cash if I'd bet on it...
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I'm really shocked. I would've lost some serious amount of cash if I'd bet on it...
Yes, as mentioned, this is exceptional, and I posted it because I find it pretty remarkable, myself.
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More than a full month has passed since the end of operations, the month of September. During this month, there was only one attack from Gaza against Israeli territory, a mortar round fired on September 16 in the area of Eshkol.

This is actually exceptionally good as far as so-called Hamas ceasefires go. After the unilateral so-called ceasefire of January 2009, in the first full month following it, i.e. February 2009, indiscriminate attacks against Israeli civilian areas were brought from Gaza on February 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27 and 28.

Maybe Hamas is slowly learning what "ceasefire" means?
It's not a ceasefire, it takes time to restock.
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It's not a ceasefire, it takes time to restock.
In that case, this shows that the stocks were more depleted this time than the last time around, which might be read in various ways but I'd say would remain a better outcome than in 2009. Especially if we add that restocking may well be more difficult this time, given the changes in the attitudes and situation of several countries in the area.
I guess we will see.
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In that case, this shows that the stocks were more depleted this time than the last time around, which might be read in various ways
Yeah, both in terms that more were destroyed, but also more were used.
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but I'd say would remain a better outcome than in 2009.
Again, depends on how you look at it. There was more probably harder to indicate damage (psychological, miscarriage, etc.) due to more ammunition being fired and more financial damage (both due to damage and Iron Dome interception) to go along with more physical casualties, but the time span is different, so again statistics can prove to be lying.
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Especially if we add that restocking may well be more difficult this time, given the changes in the attitudes and situation of several countries in the area.
That is true, with all eyes towards Egypt. However if there's a relaxation of the siege it'll negate this only sign of success.
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Perhaps the best we can hope for, Sergio, is to 'turn a new corner' and rebuild Gaza.

If people want to believe that the chosen people are completely separate form Palestinians, have the right to do whatever they wish, have made life for Non Jews a blessing- Meh.

tooh fairy stuff, but you can't win...


Here's your fairy godmother...

Encouraging news, if true.



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Gaza reconstruction: The new Israeli strategy
Dimi Reider
Saturday 11 October 2014 14:17 BST

According to Ben Yishai, the new strategy aims to prevent future escalations in the Gaza Strip, or at least stretch out the lulls between them to a maximum, by removing some of the political and economic incentives for renewed struggles against Israel.
To that end, the Israeli government has quietly withdrawn its objections to the Palestinian unity government - despite openly trying to undermine it earlier this summer through sweeping West Bank raids that helped spark the latest Gaza war.
Under the new plan, Israel would not only support the unity project, but encourage a Palestinian Authority presence in, and control of, the Gaza Strip itself. It hopes to grow this presence well beyond the PA controlling the Strip’s border crossing - as is at present envisioned in the ongoing long-term ceasefire negotiations, and which we could see as early as this Sunday.
When this happens, Israel would also lift restrictions on many of the goods entering Gaza Strip, in a move Ben Yishai says was recommended by the military long before the latest war.
The details of the emerging agreement are credited to what Ben Yishai calls “The Quintet” of negotiators: chief of Egyptian intelligence General Mohammed Tohami; director of political-military affairs at the Israeli Defence Ministry Major General Amos Gilad; coordinator of government activities in the territories Major General Yoav Mordechai; Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority’s interim technocratic government Rami Hamdallah; and UN envoy Robert Serry.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns...tegy-289476965
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Encouraging news, if true.
Ironic this would be posted the morning after a Palestinian murdered a 3 months old baby in Jerusalem.
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It's not a ceasefire, it takes time to restock.
2 months. 3rd rocket fired on Israel from Gaza since the glorious cease fire.
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