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American Colonial Era 1660-1763 The growth of North American colonies, often with a change in native & national control.

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Uncovering America's Forgotten Colony

Just got my copy of Uncovering America's Forgotten Colony: The New Netherland Project awesome project that brought to light a topic I had never even heard of. Are any of you familiar with this piece of american history?

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Try The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony that Shaped America, by Russel Shorto. It uses a ton of materials uncovered by the Nieuw Netherland Project over the years, and makes for a very good read. In fact, my cousins attended a presentation given by the project's director, Charles Gehring, and rated it highly interesting.
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Try The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony that Shaped America, by Russel Shorto. It uses a ton of materials uncovered by the Nieuw Netherland Project over the years, and makes for a very good read. In fact, my cousins attended a presentation given by the project's director, Charles Gehring, and rated it highly interesting.
Thanks.. I think It's pretty cool to be able check out any information on the 13 Provinces of New England such as maps of America prior to the French & Indian War as it was an important time in N.A. History.
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I live in New York State; I don't know why history teachers even here consistently sweep the Dutch under the rug -- especially since they were SO successful compared with the British.
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Read The Island at the Center of the World some time ago and was really impressed. If I remember correctly, the author said he was still working on other documents. Any follow up on this?
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Try these links too, interesting stuff on the topic,

http://www.threerivershms.com

http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/newnetherland/
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More, ...

... Sweden had a colony on the Delaware that was absorbed by the Dutch, the Danes were in the Caribbean, even pre- & post-Union Scotland beyond Nova Scotia i.e. New Scotland, had colonies in New Jersey, the Carolinas, and Panama of all places.
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Marmat there were also pockets of German settlers in Mexico and South and Central America .
In searching for family history I learned that there was a settlement in Coos County, Oregon named Demark settled by of course Danes. As well as a Norway Oregon.
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I just picked up Shorto's book at the library. I was aware of the Dutch presence in the early settlement of North America, but somehow I hadn't heard of the New Netherlands Project. In just reading the prologue I have already become entranced with this look into 17th century life. Thanks for the great "heads up".
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Very interesting I have to see if I can find it at the local library.

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ps: looking at the price for a paperback I might as well get my own copy.
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I heard about New Amsterdam back in high school.
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Nutmeg for an Apple

The future of Nieuw-Amsterdam was determined by a tiny island in Indonesia, Pulau Run, which measures just 1 x 3 km. Forgotten now, this island was once the focus of intense rivalry between the East India companies of the Netherlands and England. The commodity in question was nutmeg.

Nutmeg was sold in the 17th century as the panacea to cure all maladies and was more prized than gold. The warring between Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands and England over the Banda Islands including Pulau Run is almost beyond belief.

England in the 17th century was economically and militarily no match for the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden. As part of the formal exchange set by the Treaty of Breda in 1667, Nieuw-Amsterdam (New York) went to England, which forfeited the far more valuable spice island of Pulau Run in Indonesia.

In modern parlance one might say England exchanged nutmeg for the big apple.

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The future of Nieuw-Amsterdam was determined by a tiny island in Indonesia, Pulau Run, which measures just 1 x 3 km. Forgotten now, this island was once the focus of intense rivalry between the East India companies of the Netherlands and England. The commodity in question was nutmeg.

Nutmeg was sold in the 17th century as the panacea to cure all maladies and was more prized than gold. The warring between Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands and England over the Banda Islands including Pulau Run is almost beyond belief.

England in the 17th century was economically and militarily no match for the Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden. As part of the formal exchange set by the Treaty of Breda in 1667, Nieuw-Amsterdam (New York) went to England, which forfeited the far more valuable spice island of Pulau Run in Indonesia.

In modern parlance one might say England exchanged nutmeg for the big apple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_(island)
While Pulau Run was the colony "traded" for New Netherlands, in truth the English recognized the importance of the ice free harbor off of the tip of Manhattan island, which also connected to the most navigable river on the Atlantic coast that facilitated inland commerce, as the linchpin to the future of their Atlantic holdings. While in Dutch hands it dominated trade over both Massachusetts and Virginia despite being vastly under populated (with perhaps only 50% of that population being Dutch), and once taken by England was allowed to continue with its relatively tolerant views on religion, government and trade. Thank God for our almost forgotten Dutch heritage, because much of what we consider to be intrinsic Americanisms can be traced back to this early Dutch colony.
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