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Hardly - I recently checked posted the results out of curiosity in another thread.

They had 47% of the vote iirc, they then sent their armed miltia into the street and killed whoever the remaining the 53% had voted for.

Just google "Battle for Gaza".

As for Palestinians going there to fight doesn't surprise me at all, holy land remember - Jews from all over to world go there to fight as well.
Good point- Hamas came out of no where in the 2006 Anti Fatah vote. since then, virtually no political 'opposition' has been permitted in Gaza.

And = no vote in eight years. Abbas wants a UN supervised Gaza Strip and vote this fall. the Actions of Hamas hardly make Palestinians 'culpable'.
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I'd conclude from that a majority of Gazans did not vote for Hamas - they got Hamas regardless.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about the numbers in the Wiki article. Hamas is the clear winner, both in seats gained and votes cast. They were elected into power, like it or not.

If their government was a two party system, you would have an argument.
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I'm not sure what you don't understand about the numbers in the Wiki article. Hamas is the clear winner, both in seats gained and votes cast. They were elected into power, like it or not.

If their government was a two party system, you would have an argument.
I am not sure what you do n't understand about what is being said about the numbers. Hamas got 44. 45% of votes cast. That therefore means that a majority of the voters cast their ballots for parties other than Hamas.
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Just to make a running tally, for the time being rockets were reported to have been found in three or four UNRWA schools? I'm losing count. In one instance I'm sure the agency handed the ordnance to "authorities", i.e. Hamas. In another, they reported that for security reasons they simply left the ordnance in place (one wonders who went and collected the rockets then). Anybody got any news as to the third (and possibly fourth, if I'm not wrong) cache?
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Hamas has an interesting armed structure. They appear to 'contract out' the work t other gangs that 'want to be' part of Hamas.

In times of actual war, they seem to have limited command over the C & C structures. Rocket launches might lessen, but mortar rounds are launched by loose groups like I- Jehad.
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Pyramidal command structure is typical for resistance movements or criminal operations,

one cell at the bottom gets infiltrated or broken should only compromise one "contact" above.
Also puts Hamas one step removed from responsibility when one of the wanna-bes violates truce terms.
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I am not sure what you do n't understand about what is being said about the numbers. Hamas got 44. 45% of votes cast. That therefore means that a majority of the voters cast their ballots for parties other than Hamas.
Only if you total all other parties. Like I said, this isn't a two party system. Hamas got the majority vote. They were elected. That's it.

I'm wondering whom the minor parties really support anyway, based on the names alone. It's quite possible, and probable, that those who voted for the minor parties support Hamas. Of course that's just conjecture, like assuming that a majority do not support Hamas.
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I am not sure what you do n't understand about what is being said about the numbers. Hamas got 44. 45% of votes cast. That therefore means that a majority of the voters cast their ballots for parties other than Hamas.
They got the most votes which is what counts.

Would you disagree that these US Presidents were voted into power?:

1824 John Quincy Adams 30.92%
1844 James Polk 49.54%
1848 Zachary Taylor 47.28%
1856 James Buchanan 45.29%
1860 Abraham Lincoln 39.65%
1876 Rutherford Hayes 47.92
1880 James Garfield 48.31%
1884 Grover Cleveland 48.85%
1888 Benjamin Harrison 47.80%
1892 Grover Cleveland 46.02%
1912 Woodrow Wilson 41.84%
1916 Woodrow Wilson 48.24%
1946 Harry S. Truman 49.55%
1960 John F. Kennedy 49.72%
1968 Richard M. Nixon 43.42%
1992 Bill Clinton 43.01%
1996 Bill Clinton 49.23%
2000 George W Bush 46.87%
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They got the most votes which is what counts.

Would you disagree that these US Presidents were voted into power?:

1824 John Quincy Adams 30.92%
1844 James Polk 49.54%
1848 Zachary Taylor 47.28%
1856 James Buchanan 45.29%
1860 Abraham Lincoln 39.65%
1876 Rutherford Hayes 47.92
1880 James Garfield 48.31%
1884 Grover Cleveland 48.85%
1888 Benjamin Harrison 47.80%
1892 Grover Cleveland 46.02%
1912 Woodrow Wilson 41.84%
1916 Woodrow Wilson 48.24%
1946 Harry S. Truman 49.55%
1960 John F. Kennedy 49.72%
1968 Richard M. Nixon 43.42%
1992 Bill Clinton 43.01%
1996 Bill Clinton 49.23%
2000 George W Bush 46.87%
The fact that they were voted into power is not in dispute. This seems to have been a response to the argument that most Palestinians supported or voted Hamas into power.
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As Operation Protective Edge enters its third week, we have now seen four incidents in the latest round of fighting between Israel and Hamas that have focused attention on UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency), the internationally funded welfare organization for Palestinian "refugees."

The most recent saw three IDF soldiers killed in an explosion at a booby-trapped UNRWA clinic that was located at the opening of a terror tunnel.
Earlier in the week, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in three of its schools in Gaza. Hamas or some other faction had been using the schools while they were closed for the summer; the one available photo shows rockets piled in the back of a classroom, covered with a blanket.

UNRWA properly condemned the act, as did UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon who expressed "outrage and regret" at the discovery. But lacking its own munitions disposal capability, UNRWA the apparently returned the rockets to local authorities, presumably Hamas. It later expressed alarm that the other batch had mysteriously gone missing. After being ridiculed for this, UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness has now stated that his organization will rely on UN mine disposal experts for future assistance.

One can almost sympathize with UNRWA. Its schools have long been a primary mechanism for teaching the Palestinian narrative of displacement, resentment, and resistance against Israel. But it is doubtful that its international employees like Gunness took the logic to its predictable end and expected schools to actually be used by the "resistance", that is, Hamas, for patently illegal and deadly purposes.

But in a third incident UNRWA's see-no-evil mentality had tragic, indeed deadly, consequences. A school in the Gaza neighborhood of Bet Hanoun where refugees from the fighting had fled was apparently used as a Hamas firing position. The details are unclear except that an explosion killed at least 16 children.

Instantly UNRWA blamed Israel for the deaths. But an Israeli investigation suggests it was a Hamas rocket that fell short, and a just released video shows an Israeli mortar round striking an empty courtyard. Even UNRWA has changed its tune slightly and now claims it does not know who was responsible.
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Damning Video: Indian TV Appears to Catch Hamas Red-Handed Outside Its Hotel

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An Indian journalist appears to have captured the lifecycle of a Hamas rocket on camera, from clandestine construction to launch in a crowded area.
In a video report posted to YouTube Tuesday, Indian news outlet NDTV shows what appears to be a portable rocket construction site.
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