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View Poll Results: Should we Terraform Mars?
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Yes, as soon a possible.
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Not until we've solve our problems here on Earth.
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11 Jan 13, 20:07
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If there was a fire, hows the fire engine supposed to get there?
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11 Jan 13, 20:08
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Through the buildings
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12 Jan 13, 07:01
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If there was a fire, hows the fire engine supposed to get there?
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It sometimes happens that fires run amok in the flavelas. The survivors rebuild. |
12 Jan 13, 07:14
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Originally Posted by G David Bock
Valid point. Hydrocarbons have many uses, and on Mars, they might be more scarce than upon Earth. To paraphrase a line from the late 60's movie "The Graduate"; "... Plastics ..." 
Then again, better to provide organic molecules for that 'terra-forming' project ... (fertilizer). |
I'm thinking along the line of building pressurized inflatable greenhouses for growing algae and other basic food products as well as to convert the CO2 that is abundant in Mars thin atmosphere to oxygen. |
12 Jan 13, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Frtigern
If there was a fire, hows the fire engine supposed to get there?
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Think the government cares about that?
Besides which, that isn't the point, is it.
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12 Jan 13, 20:54
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Perhaps moving on is our best hope. There appears to be an internationally recognized 'human right' to maintain whatever screwed up culture you were born into. One way to 'advance' would be to move out to new territory leaving behind as much of our cultural baggage as possible.
Perhaps one day, some zealous fools will finally push the button and turn our nice blue planet into a radioactive graveyard. And on that day it might be good if the descendants of mankind could look back at our dead planet and at least shed a tear and say, 'we tried to tell them'. |
14 Jan 13, 12:52
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Yes we should, but let's get this mess fixed first. When that's done, I'll volunteer me and my shovel to go fix up Mars for living.
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15 Jan 13, 21:35
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Originally Posted by SRV Ron
I'm thinking along the line of building pressurized inflatable greenhouses for growing algae and other basic food products as well as to convert the CO2 that is abundant in Mars thin atmosphere to oxygen.
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Sort of stuff covered in links I presented in this post;
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...2&postcount=43
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Giant Mars crater shows evidence of ancient lake
Findings could shed light on early conditions for life on Mars — and on Earth, too
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50529920...5#.UP2r9vJCrTo
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Whether we eventually terraform Mars or not, one reason for going there could to check out Phobos and see why it's hollow ..
http://webservices.esa.int/blog/post/7/1085
Here's an article from earlier when first indications appeared that Phobos might be hollow;
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html
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04 Feb 13, 11:45
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Hollow? Why have I never heard of that theory? From all recent observations I've read, Phobos is a rubble pile and/or pourous asteroid, not hollow.
Would be neat (or, effing exciting) if it were, and if it were artificial, but currently that's not what is indicated.
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04 Feb 13, 11:51
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Hollow? Why have I never heard of that theory? From all recent observations I've read, Phobos is a rubble pile and/or pourous asteroid, not hollow.
Would be neat (or, effing exciting) if it were, and if it were artificial, but currently that's not what is indicated.
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A certain over-the-hill astronaut espouses that theory. |
04 Feb 13, 14:54
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...dammit.
Here's a thought, what if it IS proven to be artifical? What happens after that?
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04 Feb 13, 15:04
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...dammit.
Here's a thought, what if it IS proven to be artifical? What happens after that?
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Well, it would prove there is/was intelligent life somewhere in the Universe. |
04 Feb 13, 17:00
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As if, personally, I need that kind of proof...but you're mostly right. It would prove that there WAS life, that it MAY still exist, and that it MAY or MAY NOT have been from or has visited Mars in the past--at least.
But what could we do about this pretend artificial artifact in a decaying orbit over Mars? Would there be a flood of robots to study it? Get inside of it? Would we push the schedule up to get a manned mission to it? Would we tow it back to Earth? Save it from its fate?
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