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My first thought is, since they were fighting mostly on their own territory it was easier to form repair groups within the existing railway workers organization.
That was a rhetorical question. There were railroad engineer units under NKPS, some 200 thousands men by the end of 1942.
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That was a rhetorical question. There were railroad engineer units under NKPS, some 200 thousands men by the end of 1942.
Sounds like enough to get any job done! WOW!

It is truly surprising the amount of men/reserves the USSR could come up with. They might not be the best trained or equipped in some cases, but there was whole lot of them!
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The Germans planned ahead because they used a great many railroad artillery batteries, which required laying a number of sidings and curves at each location.
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I just got in the current issue of WW II History. One of their articles is about US Railway Units in France!

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At the beginning of the war, 22 Jun 41, the RKKA had 10 brigades and 4 separate regiments of Railroad Troops in the West - 8 brigades in Western and Kiev Districts alone. These were for construction of railroads, which may mean that they were busy relaying the railroads in eastern Poland that had been acquired in 1939. The one brigade I have info on had 3 repair battalions, 1 railroad bridging battalion, and 1 'mechanization' (signals?) battalion.
On 10 January 1942 NKO Order No. 018 ordered that by 25 January 5 more Railroad Brigades were to be formed, with 20 battalions, 5 railroad bridge battalions, plus 6 separate railroad 'mechanization' battalions and 11 separate railroad 'exploitation' companies - these last to help run the lines efficiently.
By October 1942 there were in existence Railroad Brigades numbered as high as 46 and 47. This implies a pretty large establishment of railroad construction units, and all this before the great advances of late 1943 and 1944 that required a lot of railroad repair and reconstruction. This in turn indicates to me that by late 1943, a lot of railroad troops had been at it long enough to get pretty good at their job. At least one railroad brigade received Guards status - the 1st Guards Railroad Brigade was operating in the Transcaucasus in January 1943.
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By October 1942 there were in existence Railroad Brigades numbered as high as 46 and 47. This implies a pretty large establishment of railroad construction units, and all this before the great advances of late 1943 and 1944
The question of German air attacks on the railroads has come up before, & the answers I saw were a bit vague. Any evidence these organizations were required to remedy destruction from frequent air strikes. Or, was their requirement from other sources?

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.... the 1st Guards Railroad Brigade was operating in the Transcaucasus in January 1943.
Which suggests the critical nature of the material transported in that region, and the volume ?
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In November 1942 there were 30 railroad brigades and two exploitation brigades and smaller units with 196 300 men, of them 112 500 in the front area.
http://militera.lib.ru/h/zheleznodor...rossii/19.html
From January 1942 all railroad engineer units were transferred from the Red Army to the NKPS (People's Commissariat for transport communications).
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In November 1942 there were 30 railroad brigades and two exploitation brigades and smaller units with 196 300 men, of them 112 500 in the front area.
http://militera.lib.ru/h/zheleznodor...rossii/19.html
From January 1942 all railroad engineer units were transferred from the Red Army to the NKPS (People's Commissariat for transport communications).
However, perechen' No. 7 lists the Railroad Brigades as remaining part of the 'active army' until May 1945, so while administratively they were under the Commissariat for Transportation, they operated under military command. Several more brigades were formed in 1944, so by the end of the war No. 7 lists 33 Railroad Brigades in existence.
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For information in mid-Janury 1943 capacity of railroad section from Sarepta to Kotelnkovo was estimated as 2-3 pairs of supply trains and 1 light sanitary train per day. That was apparently far below the pre-war capacity. This section was apparently regauged by that moment but the part of the same road further to the west was in need of re-gauging. For comparison the capacity of railroads leading to the Stalingrad area according to Kovalev was:
Povorino-Stalingrad - 21 pairs of trains "after opening some sidings"
Urbakh-Baskunchak-Akhtuba - 19 pairs of loaded and 11 pairs of empyt trains per day "after reinforcement"
one-way road Balashov-Kamyshin - 10 pairs "after reinforcement"
one way road - Povorino-Talovaya - 15 pairs
continuation of the same road Talovaya-Kalach - 8 pairs
"Under normal conditions" 58 pairs of trains could reach the Stalingrad area per day.
In August-September 1942 two newly build roads were opened for operation:
Petrov-Val - Ilovlya (roughly along Volga) - 8 pairs per day
Akhtuba - Paromnaya (a spur from the Urbakh-Akhtuba) line to the Stalingrad area - 8 pairs
From July to 31 December 1942 about 4300 trains with supplies and troops were unloaded in the Stalingrad area.
Kovalev strongly complains on attacks of German air forces on rail stations by the way.
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Artyom.. thanks for that information. Along with other items from this thread it gives a idication of the quantity of traffic in the region.

My original question concerned the capacity & traffic from the Rostov railroad junction to the Iranian & Turkish borders. From the remarks in this thread it appears the capacity would be fairly low. Perhaps enough to sustain a German ground combat & support forces of 200,000 or 300,000 men, but not 400,000 or larger in the Caucasus mountains or onto the Iranian Turkish borders.

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Kovalev strongly complains on attacks of German air forces on rail stations by the way.
I have to ask what is meant by "stations" here. In American English the term has a limited meaning of just the boarding platform for passengers & small cargo and the related building.

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I have to ask what is meant by "stations" here. In American English the term has a limited meaning of just the boarding platform for passengers & small cargo and the related building.
That would be "platform" in Russian. What called "station" have a more developed facilities for train maneuvering, loading/unloading, probably locomotive depots.
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In the US we also have a railroad yard where you might see switching tables and maintenance shops.

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Russian........................................... ..US English
railway platform = платформа ? ....... station or depot

Railway station = станция ? ..... yard or maintenance yard or switch yard

In US English 'freight dock' or loading dock is also common for where cargo is loaded.

Back to topic: I understand the Volga river barges also used the Caspian Sea. Is there any convenient information of the quantity of cargo taken across the Caspian sea?
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German 42 deep strikes on rail targets

I am looking for sources about the German bomber attacks in 1942 that were intended to interdict the front at Stalingrad, targeting the Urbah–Top Baskunchak–Zaplavnoye rail line through Kazakhstan. German bombers made about extensive attacks on rail infrastructure, as far away as Kazakhstan, including Shungai station, Saikhin and Dzhanybek.

The recent Osprey on Il-2 units has a brief mention of some of them being pressed into service as night fighters in defense of these targets.

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I am looking for sources about the German bomber attacks in 1942 that were intended to interdict the front at Stalingrad, targeting the Urbah–Top Baskunchak–Zaplavnoye rail line through Kazakhstan. German bombers made about extensive attacks on rail infrastructure, as far away as Kazakhstan, including Shungai station, Saikhin and Dzhanybek.

The recent Osprey on Il-2 units has a brief mention of some of them being pressed into service as night fighters in defense of these targets.

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IL-2 as a night fighter...good greif thats desperate!
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