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View Poll Results: What was Napoleon's most difficult victory?
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Arcole
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Marengo
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Eylau
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Wagram
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Borodino
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Berezina
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Lützen
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Bautzen
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Dresden
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Craonne
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Ligny
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05 May 12, 22:27
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ACG Forums - General Staff
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What was Napoleon's most difficult victory?
Was it Marengo, Eylau, Wagram, Borodino or some other battle?
Be prepared to debate and defend your choices to the last! 
EACH MEMBER IS ALLOWED FOUR VOTES!
They will face off in the FINAL FOUR!
I've probably forgot one or two battles...  That's why I included the "other" option.
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06 May 12, 00:55
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Marengo
Eylau
Wagram
Borodino
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06 May 12, 04:37
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Depends what you mean by most difficult Argubly his 1814 campaign was his most brilliant even if it was a strategic failure. He had lost a huge army in Russia then wrecked another in Germany while the remenants of another were in Southern France. Despite that he managed to scrape some kids give them a musket or two and beat veteran armies with veteran commanders who even if not brilliant had combat experience had beaten him previously in 13 and hold them off.
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06 May 12, 04:39
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Only one-the Berezina.
Sincerely,
M
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06 May 12, 07:17
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Marengo for me, thx at sacrifice of the general Desaix Napoleon win.
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06 May 12, 07:25
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No, thanks to Desaix's arrival on time-his unfortunate death was not a necessary part of the victory. His actions leading up to his arrival on the battlefield and his actions afterwards were decisive.
Sincerely,
M
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06 May 12, 08:22
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Berezina gets my vote.
My reason in short: that the remnants of the Grande Armee managed to cross the icy river under such terrible circumstances and get what was left of it out of Russia
ensured that Napoleon still had a force to be reckoned with in 1813.
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06 May 12, 08:29
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And they defeated two Russian armies on the way out-Clausewitz commented on that achievement.
Sincerely,
M
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06 May 12, 13:32
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My good friends... I'm talking about single battles/tactical victories, and not campaigns.
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06 May 12, 13:47
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Well, Eylau and Borodino weren't really Napoleon's victories, so I believe that they didn't had their place in the list.
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06 May 12, 14:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Emtos
Well, Eylau and Borodino weren't really Napoleon's victories, so I believe that they didn't had their place in the list.
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Well... That's your opinion. I, as many historians, consider both battles marginal tactical victories for Napoleon.
Furthermore, I will not debate this here and I'm sorry if you don't agree with my list.
Btw... We've debated this issue to death in the past. Feel free to search in the archives. You can always create your own thread to debate this issue.
Have a good day.
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06 May 12, 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Sennef
Berezina gets my vote.
My reason in short: that the remnants of the Grande Armee managed to cross the icy river under such terrible circumstances and get what was left of it out of Russia
ensured that Napoleon still had a force to be reckoned with in 1813.
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You summed up my thoughts exactly. The fact that ANYBODY made it across the river IMO ranks this as at the top of the list.
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06 May 12, 17:20
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Zouave,
Yes-the crossing of the Berezina was a tactical victory over two Russian armies-those of Tshitshagov and Wittgenstein-while executing an assault river crossing (and building two trestle bridges under fire) as well as executing an excellent deception operation as to where the crossing was actually going to be fooling Tshitshagov and his subordinates in the process.
Sincerely,
M
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06 May 12, 17:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Massena
Zouave,
Yes-the crossing of the Berezina was a tactical victory over two Russian armies-those of Tshitshagov and Wittgenstein-while executing an assault river crossing (and building two trestle bridges under fire) as well as executing an excellent deception operation as to where the crossing was actually going to be fooling Tshitshagov and his subordinates in the process.
Sincerely,
M
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I agree with you, Kevin. Berezina was a tactical victory.
Earlier, I was responding to History fan.
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06 May 12, 17:55
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Oops, sorry-my error.
I do agree with your assessments of both Eylau and Borodino also. The field was left to the French...
Sincerely,
M
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'Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.'
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