Barbarossa - The Campaign Thread

[craven]

Originally Posted by Full Monty

More or less, yes. Do you approve?

yeah i approve just making sure we are speaking the same langueage would hate to pull back when destroying the enemy gives us the same results

[Full Monty]

Originally Posted by craven

yeah i approve just making sure we are speaking the same langueage would hate to pull back when destroying the enemy gives us the same results

For that we need appropriate information from our GM. I would assume that the forces in the field could be expected to operate with a certain amount of initiative and our orders would reflect this.

[craven]

Originally Posted by Full Monty

For that we need appropriate information from our GM. I would assume that the forces in the field could be expected to operate with a certain amount of initiative and our orders would reflect this.

i just get confused when you guys start talking specific units since I am just looking at the map but never know where what pz groups are what and yadda yadda

[Full Monty]

Originally Posted by craven

i just get confused when you guys start talking specific units since I am just looking at the map but never know where what pz groups are what and yadda yadda

I know what you mean. I rely on Gerry's descriptions and then hope the map tallies up!

[The Purist]

The army group descriptions at the head of each update note the order of the armies from north to south in their sectors. There is also a division count and the relative strength of each army. This should give you a pretty good idea of how the troops are lined up abd where they are deployed.

[smallvillekalel]

I figure the reds attacked in the Ukraine to draw forces from AGC toward the sout, and then they hit AGC to draw forces from AGN. The next assault will probably be the real deal and come in AGN's sector in Leningrad's direction. Look at the map for signs of a coming offensive, like 1-4 infantry divisions unfortifying on the line, or nonexistant. Odessa is the only position of value to the reds in the south, so I don't think there will be too much action in that area this winter. In AGC Minsk is the only major city of worth, and it is not all that valuable to the axis. The only real purpose for the reds to attack in AGC's sector is to threaten AGN. I could be wrong, but I think there will be a concerted effort against AGN very soon.

If we decide to counter-attack in AGC we should be prepared to bring those forces back to AGN as soon as their mission is accomplished. For grand strategic concerns, I would like to hold as much ground in the north and central as we can in order to make our going in the spring and summer alot shorter.

[Galland]

Originally Posted by smallvillekalel

I figure the reds attacked in the Ukraine to draw forces from AGC toward the sout, and then they hit AGC to draw forces from AGN. The next assault will probably be the real deal and come in AGN's sector in Leningrad's direction. Look at the map for signs of a coming offensive, like 1-4 infantry divisions unfortifying on the line, or nonexistant. Odessa is the only position of value to the reds in the south, so I don't think there will be too much action in that area this winter. In AGC Minsk is the only major city of worth, and it is not all that valuable to the axis. The only real purpose for the reds to attack in AGC's sector is to threaten AGN. I could be wrong, but I think there will be a concerted effort against AGN very soon.

If we decide to counter-attack in AGC we should be prepared to bring those forces back to AGN as soon as their mission is accomplished. For grand strategic concerns, I would like to hold as much ground in the north and central as we can in order to make our going in the spring and summer alot shorter.

..i think our disposition of forces will depend largely on what the Soviets do next; be under no illusion we have not felt the full force of their winter offensive yet, once that has been dealt with we can see much better how the front shapes up. You may find that the forces you are relying upon to be available in a certain sector when its time to launch our next offensive may not be their...

...remember also, the coming allied landings in Italy and eventually France...

[Full Monty]

Originally Posted by Galland

..i think our disposition of forces will depend largely on what the Soviets do next; be under no illusion we have not felt the full force of their winter offensive yet, once that has been dealt with we can see much better how the front shapes up. You may find that the forces you are relying upon to be available in a certain sector when its time to launch our next offensive may not be their...

...remember also, the coming allied landings in Italy and eventually France...

I hope 'smallv' is right about the offensive coming in the North because we have ground that can be given and the capability to mount an 'elastic defence'. Let's not forget that the resources of the USSR are finite and as long as we can give more than we can take (i.e. fight 'smarter', not just 'harder') we can fight them to a standstill. That would still be a victory of sorts, if not the kind of one we're looking for.

[Galland]

yeah, upon reflection i guess a attack i the North would be a preferable option for the Soviets to take ratehr than a all out offensive in the South...i just dont think the Soviets even in this game would go all out against our straongest forces. I still fancy the main weight of the winter offensive to land in the SOuntern section unfortunatly...

[Galland]

...and yes i was trying to type with a cup of coffee in one hand whilst munching on a biscuit..!!!

[broderickwells]

It showed. Hopefully, no biscuit and coffee on the keys.

[Galland]

Originally Posted by broderickwells

It showed. Hopefully, no biscuit and coffee on the keys.

..hee hee...sorry, and now, biscuits and coffee stains on the keyboard avoided..!

[The Purist]

The first wave of Soviet attacks this winter appears to be running down. They have just finished mopping up the pockets in the south and have advanced only slightly further in AG Center's zone, apparently realigning themselves to the north/northwest. Third Pz A has secured Vitebsk while 2nd Pz A is on the move to support. Little activity in the north other than some scrumming near Rzhev.

[broderickwells]

To those joining late, Vitebsk was liberated in the OTL in 1944.

[Galland]

history may repeat if we are not careful..