Article in the Guardian on Isreal/Iran

[History fan]

Found this article in the Guardian on the potential Isreali/Iran conflict. Bear in mind that the Guardian is a leftwing paper I wondered what people on here thought of it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-want-war-iran

[nikolas93TS]

I cannot express my idea on Israel people desire,or better lack of desire,to attack Iran.I don't live there,and article could be possibly misleading with selected quotes.

I am sure nobody wants Iranian nuke,but there is certainly resistance to open hostility.Cover operations bring some advantages.That is logical in my mind.

However,aside my considerations,I don't like when people discard anything from Guardian,just because they are "leftist".I read everything,from left to right,and while I can disagree,I do take some considerations from both ends of spectrum.
Unfortunately many people stick to only one source.

[History fan]

Originally Posted by nikolas93TS

I cannot express my idea on Israel people desire,or better lack of desire,to attack Iran.I don't live there,and article could be possibly misleading with selected quotes.

I am sure nobody wants Iranian nuke,but there is certainly resistance to open hostility.Cover operations bring some advantages.That is logical in my mind.

However,aside my considerations,I don't like when people discard anything from Guardian,just because they are "leftist".I read everything,from left to right,and while I can disagree,I do take some considerations from both ends of spectrum.
Unfortunately many people stick to only one source.

I agree and I think this is a pretty good article and its always noticeable when some people dont post as it contradicts there strawman arguments

[Crackshot]

Originally Posted by nikolas93TS

I cannot express my idea on Israel people desire,or better lack of desire,to attack Iran.I don't live there,and article could be possibly misleading with selected quotes.

I am sure nobody wants Iranian nuke,but there is certainly resistance to open hostility.Cover operations bring some advantages.That is logical in my mind.

However,aside my considerations,I don't like when people discard anything from Guardian,just because they are "leftist".I read everything,from left to right,and while I can disagree,I do take some considerations from both ends of spectrum.
Unfortunately many people stick to only one source.

Agreed.

I am personally not a fan of the Guardian, the reasons outlined in this blog: http://markhumphrys.com/guardian.html. Articles defending communism and religious fundamentalist are not rare in the Guardian. But I read them. I also read Chomsky and Moore, etc, sometimes, as much as I can stomach, because I think one has to take both sides of the story into consideration and prove if it's wrong.

I'm admittedly pretty-strongly pro-Israel, but I honestly don't know enough about this situation to comment or rebut this article.

[Vector]

Well, as an Israeli, I must agree with the statement that most Israelis don't want war with Iran. On the flip side, I guess most of us understand that at some point or other there might not be a choice, although I do believe the situation is much more complex.

First and foremost, it's not just about Israel. Quite a few Arab states would put resources into denying Iran the nuclear weapon, since it would significantly tip the balance in the region. Israel is only part of the equation; moreover, it's the only part that can defend itself against direct nuclear attack delivered via a ballistic missile.

What Israelis fear, though, is not such an attack, but Iran delivering such weapons to terror groups around, such as Hizballah in Lebanon, HAMAS in Gaza, FATAH in the West Bank or some new group (such as one in Golan Heights, according to news reports from a couple of years back). Not to mention it could also be within AQ's reach. In this case, a scenario of an attack by a dirty bomb becomes a real threat.

And yet, I don't believe Iran would walk this path. If ayatollahs would share the goods with terror groups, Iran would be demolished and would become a nuclear wasteland. On the contrary, just having it in its posession would make it much stronger and give it many more cards, particularly vis-a-vis Israel and the Saudis.

[andrewza]

I do not fear Iran giving the nukes away. But they may not have them secure enough to stop a theft. It will not be a nuke but if some radical group got hold of some radioactive material they could do a dirty bomb strike with or with out Iran's consent