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I would has botswana to that list.
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Insofar as concerns sub-saharan Africa, the only really civilised countries were Rhodesia and the Republic of South Africa. Some would include parts of Mozambique and Kenya as well. Law, education and introducing the means of production for building modern states turned parts of the Dark Continent into westernised nations. Sad, sooo sad to see tyrants like Idi Amin, Mugabe, Tambo and the rest run once beautiful and growing economies into the ground.. as with many other independent "countries".
One can easily draw parallels with major cities in the US such as Detroit, Flint, and Sag Nasty. When the Socialist, Communist, Progressives took control, they plundered the treasuries and taxed the achievers out of existence to give handouts to the non achievers who them destroyed their neighborhoods and the economy in return.
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Insofar as concerns sub-saharan Africa, the only really civilised countries were Rhodesia and the Republic of South Africa. Some would include parts of Mozambique and Kenya as well. Law, education and introducing the means of production for building modern states turned parts of the Dark Continent into westernised nations. Sad, sooo sad to see tyrants like Idi Amin, Mugabe, Tambo and the rest run once beautiful and growing economies into the ground.. as with many other independent "countries".
Given that Oliver Tambo died before the fall of apartheid how exactly did he run a once beautiful and growing economy into the ground?
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All so looking at a economic side. South africa is richer than ever. It just that the funds get distributed every where instead of just being spent on the minority.
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you must hate Zulus then, their racism is proverbial.

I suspect that is better described as Tribalism..

the Zulu Tribe against the Afrikaans tribe
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I suspect that is better described as Tribalism..

the Zulu Tribe against the Afrikaans tribe
It was/is not just the Afrikaans people. The Zulu nation was formed by killing and driving of all the other people in the area. They where incredibly aggressive. They are still the only tribal army to use mainly tribal weapons to defeat a European army. Aka isadwana.
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I suspect that is better described as Tribalism..

the Zulu Tribe against the Afrikaans tribe
I wouldn't consider the Afrikaans people a "tribe" as they did not live a tribal lifestyle.
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John,

The Boers that trekked into the Transvaal and Orange Free State called themselves the "White Tribes". They were actually similar to the Zulu speaking tribes that had recently migrated South into the area. Both drove cattle and did some "light" farming.

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I wouldn't consider the Afrikaans people a "tribe" as they did not live a tribal lifestyle.

as Pruitt said, you need to do some studying..

WTF is a tribal lifestyle..???

when Tribe is literally a grouping or clan if you may..
has nothing to do with what kind of housing they live in or if they have a bone in their nose..
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It was/is not just the Afrikaans people. The Zulu nation was formed by killing and driving of all the other people in the area. They where incredibly aggressive. They are still the only tribal army to use mainly tribal weapons to defeat a European army. Aka isadwana.

yep, those Zulus didn't just fight the Afrikaners, they fought the other tribes.

that tribal thing is why Africa doesn't work too well as the physical borders were drawn by white men but the ethnic borders are kept by the Africans..
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Yep african tribes still dislike each other till this day. South africa is pretty calm on this aspect but other nations have/had civil war due to it.
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as Pruitt said, you need to do some studying..

WTF is a tribal lifestyle..???
Traits of a tribal lifestyle:

Generally Nomadic.

Hunter-Gatherer system of food collection.

Little to no agriculture.

Most of the societies' tools/objects are made directly from nature. I.e. stone, wood, animal skin, etc.

Little to no urban or settled population.

Think native Papua New Guineas, Australian Aborigines, Inuits, Ancient Germanic tribes, Neanderthals, etc.
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Jonathan,

Tribal groups do live in settled places when they can get a good one. Think of the Pueblo communities of the Southwest. Many do engage in agriculture. It mainly depended on how far North the Tribe was. The Celts in Gaul and Britain were farmers with cattle on the side. The Celts also had towns. The German Tribes lived in some settled communities, just not near the Rhine where the Romans could get at them. The Romans had an interest in portraying Celts and Germans as Barbaric as possible. American Indians had a number of societies that that engaged in high density populations and extensive farming. Hawaiians spent very little on getting food. Their fish farms and planted fields kept them in food.

You are aware that many of these tribal societies mined metals and minerals. One ancient enemy of the Aztecs had Bronze weapons. There was an extensive Copper mining system in the Western Great Lakes. They had another area in Northern Canada that mined Copper. Surely your teachers mentioned the Copper Indians? The Inuit usually had a base camp/village from where the hunters went out. They might move this when the seasons turn.

You could use a read of Jared Diamond's books where he talks about many of the tribal societies you list. Many of the tribes in the New Guinea Highlands are great farmers. They figured out an irrigation system that goes straight down hillsides. American farmers still don't even contour plow.

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I think JonnyRex has a limited understanding of what a Tribe is, or looks at it from a small window .

take the word TRIBE.

definition: A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.

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For our purposes, it is the socio-political aspect of tribalism that matters. For instance, the Tuareg tribes have a tradition of caravan/commerce raiding going back, I believe, to classical times. A common aspect of tribalism is to view outsiders as fair game. That kind of mindset makes it rather hard to integrate tribal societies into modern nation-states.
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