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The Middle East Asia Minor, the Arab Mahgreb, and the Persian Gulf to include tensions between Israel and its Arab neighbors, Terrorist organizations and Iran.

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Egypt scraps Israel gas supply deal...

Egyptian officials say they have scrapped an agreement to supply Israel with natural gas.

Israel received around 40% of its gas supplies from Egypt and uses it to generate electricity.

The announcement comes after the cross-border pipeline suffered numerous sabotage attacks which cut supplies.

Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said the move was of "great concern", and overshadowed peace agreements between the countries.

Egypt was the first Middle East country to sign a peace accord with Israel, in 1979, and the deal to supply energy has been a key part of agreements between the two states.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17808954

Youz guys better get drilling on Leviathan oil field...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
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Only a little of what awaits Israel from Egypt. As the muslim fanatics come to have more political power expect more militant action against Israel. Israel will be blamed for everything under the sun, it's easier for the Egyptians to lay blame than to figure out how to run a country.
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Israel might be sitting on a ton of Shale Oil I notice

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There are 2 major and critical errors in the BBC report (should I act surprised..?)

1. This is not just an "agreement", it's also not just a "key part", it's an article within our peace agreement.
Abolishing it essentially means one sided abolish of the peace treaty.

2. We aren't "given" the gas, we buy it. Well, I guess I should say "bought".
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Pay market value for the gas and the problem might go away. Or go to someone else and pay market value for their gas instead.
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Youz guys better get drilling on Leviathan oil field...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field
Development of the Leviathan and other giant natural gas discoveries is well under way. First production from Tamar Field is expected in Q2 2013...

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Does this mean that Israel can take back the Sinai?

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Does this mean that Israel can take back the Sinai?

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Unfortunately no.

IIRC the U.S vouched for the peace agreement on behalf of both sides, I don't need to tell you Obama wouldn't lift a finger.

The U.N? yeah....

The serious issue here is that Egypt can't (and is not even trying) to contain its sovereignty over Sinai, which in result is ran under pretty much a prehistoric tribal system of governance.
Normally I wouldn't care- but we get the most suffering out of it- modern slavery (both Africans and East European women), drug trafficking, terrorist attacks, rocket launches, etc.

Between Egypt being unable (and/or unwilling) to contain Sinai, them eliminating the peace treaty one article at a time and their constant portray of Israel and the Zionists as the enemies of Egypt- I see no point in burying our heads in the sand, the treaty should be cancelled and all forces should return to October 5th 1973 positions.
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So...

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I'm an engineer, I'll volunteer to be first on the line. We haven't got any fingers left as it is
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I have no joy for war, especially against Egypt in Sinai- that's why I wish things could have been resolved in a mature peaceful way, unfortunately it seems like these 2 words don't play a function in middle eastern politics, so I'd say- the sooner the batter, it'll save us many lives.
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Would have to agree with that. Sadly, "Middle East" and "peace" can't sit together.

Not to be seen as the local redneck, but "I pray for peace, prepare for war" suits the situation quite fine.

Although, on a military level, I would say we should wait at least a few years. The US stopped some of its support to Egypt; what this could mean for Israel is that Egypt's army will lose much of its strength in years to come (such as, the US-supplied aircraft would get older and wouldn't be maintained as well as they were, etc).
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Although, on a military level, I would say we should wait at least a few years. The US stopped some of its support to Egypt; what this could mean for Israel is that Egypt's army will lose much of its strength in years to come (such as, the US-supplied aircraft would get older and wouldn't be maintained as well as they were, etc).
I can see 2 flows in this plan:

1. The longer the waiting period is- the new situation would turn into the new status quo. Right now this is a casus belli. Military operations aren't conducted in a void and they have imperative connection to the political situation.

2. The future is hard to predict, especially under these circumstances, what if the Muslim Brotherhood would be to Egypt what Hamas was to Gaza? There are great chances the 2 would ally and than you can throw Hezbollah into the mix as well, needless to say Iran will spread it's wings over the new "Islamic Republic of Egypt" and we'd be in knee deep sh*t.
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I have no joy for war, especially against Egypt in Sinai- that's why I wish things could have been resolved in a mature peaceful way, unfortunately it seems like these 2 words don't play a function in middle eastern politics, so I'd say- the sooner the batter, it'll save us many lives.
I suppose that's what you would call a Catch-22 situation.

Israel could leave the treaty in place and allow Egyptian sovereign over the Sinai, with hopes that cooler heads will prevail and Egypt will become a liberal democracy with peaceful relations. This is naive at best and utterly disastrous at worst. Mubarak may have been a brutal bastard but at least he left Israel in relative peace, lest he risk those ties with the U.S. Now it looks like a islamofascist regime has risen in Egypt, and we all know those fellas ain't too keen on Jews.

Or Israel could go to war with Egypt over the Sinai peninsula. The Egyptian Army may not be able to match the IDF but they're much better equipped, not to mention the Egyptian's have Abrams (another incentive to Mubarak, although I have no wish for an Abrams v Merkeva debate). Taking into account not just any casualties in the initial outbreak of fighting, I suppose there would also be the problem of Israel having to maintain a border right next to mainland Egypt, a hostile country, which puts IDF troops in danger unless they're willing to march onto Cairo, and then they'll still be in danger from insurgents. Not to mention the utter villifying they'll take from the U.N. and the world media (nothing new of course).

So...which option is worse?
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