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Carrying The War To The Enemy

"Carrying the War to the Enemy, American Operational Art to 1945," presented by Dr. Michael Matheny to the US Army War College.

Its a thought-provoking and informative lecture. While I disagree with some of what he says (particularly since I have an extremely limited view on the existence and applicability of the operational level of war), nonetheless, its worth the time to listen if you're interested in the topic of how and why the US armed forces fought WWII the way they did.



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"Carrying the War to the Enemy, American Operational Art to 1945," presented by Dr. Michael Matheny to the US Army War College.

Its a thought-provoking and informative lecture. While I disagree with some of what he says (particularly since I have an extremely limited view on the existence and applicability of the operational level of war), nonetheless, its worth the time to listen if you're interested in the topic of how and why the US armed forces fought WWII the way they did.



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A nation that attempts to carry out its desires with brute force can only be taught the error of their ways by having the force they have dealt out to others returned to them two/fold,and that is what happened. Not only by the Americans but by her allies as well. lcm1
That is not what the speaker endeavors to cover. Instead, he attempts to explain how - at a theoretical level - the Americans fought the war and posits that the Americans consciously, if not expressly, were utilizing the so-called operational level of war. The "why" is not the motives of the Americans to fight, but rather, the the theory undergirding the US military's decisionmaking.
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That is not what the speaker endeavors to cover. Instead, he attempts to explain how - at a theoretical level - the Americans fought the war and posits that the Americans consciously, if not expressly, were utilizing the so-called operational level of war. The "why" is not the motives of the Americans to fight, but rather, the the theory undergirding the US military's decisionmaking.
Very 'Airy Fairy' my friend but when you boil it down to the nitty gritty,what happens is what counts.It is the end of the line that is the deciding factor and what I said originally is what happened and what is wrong with fighting for a 'why'? 'Why' played a very important part in that little fracus I can assure you,it drove us on long before the Americans actually came into the fight and when they did it was another 'why' to keep going. For you to say that (quote) The "why" is not the motives of the Americans to fight, puts you into the position of needing to be corrected not myself,because you could not be more wrong!! lcm1
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Ibis is saying that the video is not about the motives of the war. Have you bothered to watch it?
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Very 'Airy Fairy' my friend but when you boil it down to the nitty gritty,what happens is what counts.It is the end of the line that is the deciding factor and what I said originally is what happened and what is wrong with fighting for a 'why'? 'Why' played a very important part in that little fracus I can assure you,it drove us on long before the Americans actually came into the fight and when they did it was another 'why' to keep going. For you to say that (quote) The "why" is not the motives of the Americans to fight, puts you into the position of needing to be corrected not myself,because you could not be more wrong!! lcm1
lcm1, The Ibis is only saying that the "why" is not covered in the presentation. It's a briefing on the level of warfare between strategic and tactical. He's not opining on the moral factors.
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Great post! Very interesting - I thought I'd post some links to some things mentioned in the talk.

Link to wikipedia article on "five paragraph order"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_paragraph_order

Links to Wikipedia articles on War Plan Orange and on the other plans. I found interesting how much of the plan was developed through the Army War College (not Naval War College) exercises
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Orange
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...oded_war_plans

I found interesting also when he mentioned how Eisenhower and Nimitz both turned down much higher paying jobs in the Inter-war years - Eisenhower for (I think) triple his salary and Nimitz, who was a diesel engine expert, turned down a $40,000 a year job when making $3,300 -WOW!


Also an interesting point when he mentioned that Submarines are like air power, in that they can affect tactical, operational, and strategic levels of war.

Wikipedia article on The Battle of Okinawa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa

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Very 'Airy Fairy' my friend but when you boil it down to the nitty gritty,what happens is what counts.It is the end of the line that is the deciding factor and what I said originally is what happened and what is wrong with fighting for a 'why'? 'Why' played a very important part in that little fracus I can assure you,it drove us on long before the Americans actually came into the fight and when they did it was another 'why' to keep going. For you to say that (quote) The "why" is not the motives of the Americans to fight, puts you into the position of needing to be corrected not myself,because you could not be more wrong!! lcm1

lcm1, I described the subject of a presentation and didn't comment on anything else. Although no one would deny the importance of the motives you are talking about (I didn't, so I have no idea what I'm wrong about), that is not the subject of professor's presentation. I think these forums are big enough to discuss subjects in addition to those you apparently find important enough to merit study, even "airy fairy" ones.
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lcm1, I described the subject of a presentation and didn't comment on anything else. Although no one would deny the importance of the motives you are talking about (I didn't, so I have no idea what I'm wrong about), that is not the subject of professor's presentation. I think these forums are big enough to discuss subjects in addition to those you apparently find important enough to merit study, even "airy fairy" ones.
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