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BTW, a question to the mods of this forum. If we can't have avatars of Nazis like Hitler and Himmler, why is a picture of a bigger mass murderer permitted?

If this is legal, change my name to Pol Pot and my avatar will be a field of dead bodies.
Sincerly I think that pictures of all political and military leaders must be allowed. The limit between a great leader and a mass murderer is often thin.


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And all those who will use such avatars will be shot as the enemies of freedom of speech.
When did I ever say anything about harming someone for using an avatar?
This is a private website and conditions can be set like no debates about holocaust denying as well as pathetic Mass Murderer worshiping if the website owner decides to.
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Do have any proof that Ukranians don't know what genocide is?
But of course I do!
I have just exactly as mich proof as you have that Ulrainians do know the definition.

But Actually I said "general public", not Ukrainians. Though the former includes the later. I even dare you that yourself, googling aside, do not know the exact definition!

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The amount of people that were starved in the Ukraine is unknown but whether it's 3 or 10 million it's still shouldn't have happened or anywhere else.
Obviously it should not have had happened!

Though there us no need to manipulate the numbers regardless of one's political views.
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Without any serious numbers at hand, it's impossible to say anything. Exactly like with the 99% thing, when a bunch of people made a big mess. If they enjoyed a signifiant support in Ukraine, it will also mean that they were supported elsewhere in the country. The theory that Stalin organised the famine to punich the Ukrainians for their support to the Kulaks, simply don't hold.
Maybe you can explain why Stalin murdered and imprisoned almost all of the Ukraine's Intellectuals and Scientists and raised the grain quota an impossible 44% higher and why Stalin didn't allow food donated from elsewhere to starving Ukrainians during the food embargo why did Stalin do all that if he wasn't punishing Ukrainians for their disobedience to him?

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/gen...ine_famine.htm
http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_ukraine.html

Kazakhstan another country affected by the collectives and war on the peasantry lost half their population from the artifical famine Stalin created they could claim what happened to them to be Genocide as well.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1079304.html
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But of course I do!
I have just exactly as mich proof as you have that Ulrainians do know the definition.

But Actually I said "general public", not Ukrainians. Though the former includes the later. I even dare you that yourself, googling aside, do not know the exact definition!

Obviously it should not have had happened!

Though there us no need to manipulate the numbers regardless of one's political views.
Considering that Ukrainians are taught in School all about what happened I'd say that they know what Genocide is.
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Considering that Ukrainians are taught in School all about what happened I'd say that they know what Genocide is.
Wishfull thinking does not make it a reality.
What are we talking about if even YOU didn't know the definition of Term "Genocide" right until I asked you.
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I second the motion that we don't allow Piece of mass murdering sewer dwelling dictators pictures to be used as avatars.
Real quick before this thread is re-railed back to the topic, I have to agree with this. Can anyone post up a pic of Hitler as an avatar? If not, then why is Stalin used? If so, then why don't we see more Hitlers used?

Okay. Back to topic. USA is good.
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Real quick before this thread is re-railed back to the topic, I have to agree with this. Can anyone post up a pic of Hitler as an avatar? If not, then why is Stalin used? If so, then why don't we see more Hitlers used?

Okay. Back to topic. USA is good.
Good for Americans or for everybody else ?
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So Hitler wasn't a monster that threatened his own country...not to mention the free world?
no he wasn't since he of course could not know he was to lose the war, and as for 'free world' - neither usa & britain nor ussr were considering each other as free.
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no he wasn't since he of course could not know he was to lose the war, and as for 'free world' - neither usa & britain nor ussr were considering each other as free.
K, thanks. Just wanted to get that for the record.
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When you put 20% of your population into uniform the rest of the country has to suffer.
well, seeing the usa sided with south korea, it is a big surprise that north korea hadn't conscripted 90% of koreans into its military service!
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well, seeing the usa sided with south korea, it is a big surprise that north korea hadn't conscripted 90% of koreans into its military service!
The USA was forced to side with South Korea when the North treacherously attacked and began killing US and RoK troops along with civilians. The North have only themselves to blame for the past/present/future predicaments.

And this is an example of the US doing good in the world. Helping to save 48 million S. Koreans from the likes of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il and their henchmen was a very good thing to do.

Or are they misunderstood patriots rather than murdering a-holes like your namesake?
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