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Question The Voynich manuscript mystery.

For those who are unsure what this is about, here is a primer from Wiki: The Voynich manuscript.

I'd like to read what my fellow ACG members have to say in regards to this book, could it be genuine, or an elaborate hoax?


Here is a close-up of the text that no-one has been able to decipher.


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Since no one can read it, what do the "experts" say? Is the paper and ink valid? Binding? Cover? Was it dated?

Unfortunately, Wiki isn't considered a reliable source.
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LOL that comic... But it's true. Maybe we just found the legacy of an earlier, unknown, J.R.R Tolkien.
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You can see the book in detail here:
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_...?srchtype=ITEM

I have studied the images for a number of years and can't make much sense of them. However, it does appear to be very science oriented in both biology and astronomy.

In any case, whom ever made this book spent a LOT of time on it.

The alien looking plants imply an alien origin...
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You can see the book in detail here:
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_...?srchtype=ITEM

I have studied the images for a number of years and can't make much sense of them. However, it does appear to be very science oriented in both biology and astronomy.

In any case, whom ever made this book spent a LOT of time on it.

The alien looking plants imply an alien origin...
Do they? Do you know all of the ancient plants by sight? Some of the plants currently growing deep in the Amazon rain forest and other highly isolated sites look like they're "alien" as it is.

Still waiting to here what the data said - carbon dating, handwriting analysis, determination of linguistic base group, etc., etc., etc.

As for not being able to read it, there is a style of Egyptian hieroglyphics that cannot be properly translated, either. Same for the Mayan Codex, which has been in the hands of scholars for something over three or four centuries or so. For that matter, the Bible has been around for close to two thousand years, and the translation of the original Aramaic is still in doubt.

Given the width, depth and span of human history, and the sheer number of dead languages, the discovery of a lost language that we don't know comes as no surprise. The only surprise would be if there weren't any such languages.
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One of ten other mystery codes;
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...codes/uf5jxcel
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Still waiting to here what the data said - carbon dating, handwriting analysis, determination of linguistic base group, etc., etc., etc.
There are no other examples of this script in existence, that have been found which makes the document unique.

The document is dated to the 15th century so it is not very ancient.
http://news.discovery.com/history/vo...ge-110211.html

It has been verified to be "writing" by character analysis.
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It comes up every couple of years.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...hlight=Voynich

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...hlight=Voynich

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...hlight=Voynich

Didn't the medieval alchemists also concoct their own ciphers to keep their findings secret?
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Since no one can read it, what do the "experts" say? Is the paper and ink valid? Binding? Cover? Was it dated?

Unfortunately, Wiki isn't considered a reliable source.

Here's a National Geographic video...



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Here's a National Geographic video...
Ah, yes...Nat Geo...the "experts" who now do "serious programming" on the activities of inmates in Federal prisons and Women Behind Bars.

Sorry, Persephone...it's not personal towards you. Just my rant at the decline of decent sources. I grew up with Nat Geo when they were the expert word on many arcane cultures and subjects.
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'World's most mysterious manuscript' has genuine message

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The key idea behind the extraction of the keywords relies on the non-homogeneous use of content-bearing words in any text, with certain words being used with a higher-than-average frequency when a specific topic is discussed.
“At the statistical level this means that these words that define the topics in the text end up being used in a sort of clustered pattern. On the contrary, words that are not related to any specific topic, like for instance function words like ‘or’, ‘and’, ‘an’, have a much more uniform rate of use,” Montemurro said.
According to the researcher, if the words in the Voynich text are real encoded words, then this method could provide clues on which are the keywords that are more related to the book’s topics.
He noted that the manuscript presents a complex organization in the distribution of words that is compatible with those found in real language sequences.
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http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/201...e-message?lite
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The NSA claims to be able to break anything. What do they say?
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An interesting article about an analysis of the manuscript using information theory:

"Here we analyse the long-range structure of the manuscript using methods from information theory. We show that the Voynich manuscript presents a complex organization in the distribution of words that is compatible with those found in real language sequences. We are also able to extract some of the most significant semantic word-networks in the text. These results together with some previously known statistical features of the Voynich manuscript, give support to the presence of a genuine message inside the book."

We have analysed the text in the Voynich manuscript using methods derived from Information Theory, that assign a value of information to the individual words in a text without any aprioristic assumption about the structure of the language [6]. Words that are related by their semantic contents tend to co-occur along the text. This property is the basis of standard methods in automatic information retrieval [17]. We compared the patterns of use of the most informative words in the text and found that some of them bear strong relationships in their use. Interestingly, the network of relationships that we obtained showed that related words share similar morphological patterns, either in their prefixes or suffixes. This fact suggests that any underlying code or language in the Voynich manuscript has a strong connection between morphology and semantics,

... Here, we have contributed evidence of non-trivial statistical structure in the long-range use of words in the Voynich text. While the mystery of origins and meaning of the text still remain to be solved, the accumulated evidence about organization at different levels, limits severely the scope of the hoax hypothesis and suggests the presence of a genuine linguistic structure.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...one.0066344#s3

One of the strongest clues in this puzzle is the fact that the frequency of words in the Voynich text obeys Zipf’s law (4) http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...66344-Landini1

Moreover, Zipf’s law was discovered centuries after the accepted date of creation of the Voynich text. Thus, proposed solutions like the use of sixteenth-century cipher methods [1], although not impossible, can hardly account for the presence of Zipf’s law in the Voynich text."
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