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UK: Five-year-old girl forced into marriage

From: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-7604140.html

Saturday 31 March 2012

A girl aged five and an 87-year-old woman were among almost 1,500 forced marriage victims helped by the Forced Marriage Unit in 2011, new figures reveal.

The figures emerge as the Government considers whether to criminalise forced marriage or focus its efforts on protecting potential victims through the civil courts. A three-month consultation, which ends today, has exposed huge divisions among professionals, community workers, campaigners and victims about the risks and benefits of criminalising a practice that many believe to be an abuse of human rights.

Supporters of criminalisation point to Denmark where three members of the same family have been arrested for forcing a young female relative to marry the first since forced marriage became a crime in 2008.
But critics say that criminalising an already hidden problem will drive it further underground, increase the risk of retaliation and result in more British victims being abandoned overseas. Pointing to the fact that there has never been a prosecution since Female Genital mutilation was outlawed in 2003, they want scarce resources targeted at education, training and prevention.
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This is one of those situations where I am unsure whether new laws are actually needed. With something like forced marriages I would have thought that there are enough laws on the books which could be used to prosecute people - kidnap, rape, a variety of assault laws and so on. Perhaps it is more a case of there being the political will, as well as the availability of resources, to pursue criminal cases against people. Then again perhaps there is a specific need for a law which targets certain cultural acts - am a bit divided on that question.

But in my opinion there absolutely should be criminal cases - how on earth do you not punish and lock up people who force others into marriages.
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This is one of those situations where I am unsure whether new laws are actually needed. With something like forced marriages I would have thought that there are enough laws on the books which could be used to prosecute people - kidnap, rape, a variety of assault laws and so on. Perhaps it is more a case of there being the political will, as well as the availability of resources, to pursue criminal cases against people. Then again perhaps there is a specific need for a law which targets certain cultural acts - am a bit divided on that question.

But in my opinion there absolutely should be criminal cases - how on earth do you not punish and lock up people who force others into marriages.
Bang on. Luis Suarez gets the book thrown at him over the Patrice Evra racism thing. He said sorry in my culture this is OK, we said, well not here its not. I don't see a difference in the principle...
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Hi Philip

According to the FCO website they gave advice & support, though I don't see the word victim I concur that forced marriages have no place in our society.

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In 2011 there were 1468 instances where the FMU gave advice or support related to a possible forced marriage. There were 66 instances involving those with disabilities (56 with learning disabilities, 8 with physical disabilities and 2 with both), and 10 instances involving victims who identified themselves as LGBT. Of the 1468 instances, 78 per cent were female and 22 per cent male.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-...rced-marriage/

I've found a report published in 2011 concerning this matter but not sure if this is the article the Independent was on about. The link to the actual report is within the text;-

http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...rriage-report/

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All countries have age of consent laws, including the UK, so just charge those who forced the underage girl into marriage with statutory rape. I don't think new laws are needed in this case. To me, there's no need to debate this issue. But that's just me...

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All countries have age of consent laws, including the UK, so just charge those who forced the underage girl into marriage with statutory rape. I don't think new laws are needed in this case. To me, there's no need to debate this issue. But that's just me...

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Only applies if the the marriage is consumated before the girl is of age. I'm not 100% sure about consent laws, but I'm reasonably sure that the age of consent may even be below 14 in many western nations if both parties are of a similar age. Given that this is all about controlling people (especially women) there is no reason that the couple have to have sex or even cohabit before they are of age to so so legally.

Sorry, but you'll need to find another way. I'm pretty sure we have just or are soon going to outlaw forced marriage in Australia soon. In any case, many forced marriages aren't legal here already because they are performed in jurisdictions & in ways that aren't automatically recognised here. Making this illegal satifies my desire to criminalize behaviour I find repugnant, but I'm not sure if it will actually make it iess common. I'm happy to let my sense of outrage go unsatisfied if the most effective way to deal with such issues is not the way I would prefer.
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The minimum legal age for marriage is 16 in the UK, though they will need parental consent to do so. 18+ and no parental consent is required.

The legal age of consent in the UK is 16

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Here's a far out, out of the box idea:
Don't import people who are into genital mutilation and forced marriages?
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