HistoryNet.com RSS
ArmchairGeneral.com RSS

HistoryNet.com Articles
America's Civil War
American History
Aviation History
British Heritage
Civil War Times
MHQ
Military History
Vietnam
Wild West
World War II

ACG Online
ACG Magazine
Stuff We Like
War College
History News
Tactics 101
Carlo D'Este
Books

ACG Gaming
Boardgames
PC Game Reviews

ACG Network
Contact Us
Our Newsletter
Meet Our Staff
Advertise With Us

Sites We Support
HistoryNet.com
Once A Marine
The Art of Battle
Game Squad
Mil. History Podcast
Russian Army - WW2
Achtung Panzer!
Mil History Online

Go Back   Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History > Historical Events & Eras > American Age of Discovery, Colonization, Revolution, & Expansion > American Revolution

Notices and Announcements

American Revolution 1763-1789 The birth of a new nation - to commence at the Proclaimation of 1763 to the end of the Articles of Confederation.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 29 Feb 12, 00:04
Mwschel's Avatar
Mwschel Mwschel is offline
Lance Corporal
United_States
 
Real Name: Mike Schellhammer
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 48
Mwschel is on the path to success [1-99]
I regret to say that I don't know of a single source that addresses Clinton's 1777 expedition. "Saratoga" by Richard Ketchum covers the events in general and puts them in context, but Burgoyne is Ketchum's focus. Clinton himself goes into them in some detail in his memoir, "The American Rebellion," but of course, that's just Clinton's take. For detailed tactical stuff I often turn to "A Battlefield Atlas of the American Revolution," by Craig L. Symonds. If you can find it in a library, it gives some detail about the American and British moves at each Hudson fort.

If anybody else knows a good source, I'd be interested in it too!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 29 Feb 12, 06:31
Elijah's Avatar
Elijah Elijah is offline
Captain
United_States
 
Real Name: Wayne Lynch
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galveston
Posts: 881
Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwschel View Post
I regret to say that I don't know of a single source that addresses Clinton's 1777 expedition. "Saratoga" by Richard Ketchum covers the events in general and puts them in context, but Burgoyne is Ketchum's focus. Clinton himself goes into them in some detail in his memoir, "The American Rebellion," but of course, that's just Clinton's take. For detailed tactical stuff I often turn to "A Battlefield Atlas of the American Revolution," by Craig L. Symonds. If you can find it in a library, it gives some detail about the American and British moves at each Hudson fort.

If anybody else knows a good source, I'd be interested in it too!
I looked in both books you mentioned (I had already checked the Ketchum book). Not terribly impressed with any detail on the assaults. Another friend indicated there was a trial for cowardice at the battle of one Joshua Barns of Emmerick's Chasseurs. His trial transcript may have some detail concerning the actual fighting. However, I have no idea how to get a transcript of that event. If only I lived in the NY area.

I went ahead and ordered a book on Saratoga mentioned previously by Massena. Don't know if it will have anything or not.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 29 Feb 12, 10:56
slick_miester's Avatar
slick_miester slick_miester is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Real Name: Marc
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 18,559
slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah View Post
If only I lived in the NY area.
Just try to walk from Lake Champlain to Albany in early summer and the black flies will have you drained of all your blood before you reach the town of Lake George. That's how I know that Burgoyne pumped the pooch: his Mohawk guides would have warned him of the difficulty of his route. Instead he dallied.

Try the state library in Albany. They have a very extensive collection of documents and other materials from that period.
__________________
I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 29 Feb 12, 11:12
Elijah's Avatar
Elijah Elijah is offline
Captain
United_States
 
Real Name: Wayne Lynch
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galveston
Posts: 881
Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99]
Quote:
Originally Posted by slick_miester View Post
Just try to walk from Lake Champlain to Albany in early summer and the black flies will have you drained of all your blood before you reach the town of Lake George. That's how I know that Burgoyne pumped the pooch: his Mohawk guides would have warned him of the difficulty of his route. Instead he dallied.

Try the state library in Albany. They have a very extensive collection of documents and other materials from that period.
according to at least one report they had a tough time with the cantseeums (chigger bites). Too bad they didn't have any Off bug spray.

anyway, I live in TX so Albany is also a bit far. Nice idea.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 29 Feb 12, 11:19
slick_miester's Avatar
slick_miester slick_miester is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Real Name: Marc
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 18,559
slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+] slick_miester has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah View Post
according to at least one report they had a tough time with the cantseeums (chigger bites). Too bad they didn't have any Off bug spray.
I once saw a black bear blow a thick, black wad of no-see-ums out of his nose and jump into a river twenty feet below just to escape them, that's how bad the bugs are in the Adirondacks. I imagine Burgoyne's troops scratching 'til they broke the skin and coming down with infections that grew septic. Fevers, boils, and cellulitis probably were rampant throughout his command -- and regular bleedings didn't cure a bit of it.

The state library may have an on-line portal that's useful. Much of their collection has been keyed or scanned in recent years.
__________________
I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #21  
Old 02 Mar 12, 07:47
Elijah's Avatar
Elijah Elijah is offline
Captain
United_States
 
Real Name: Wayne Lynch
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galveston
Posts: 881
Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99] Elijah is on the path to success [1-99]
The Battles of Saratoga from the Freneau series done in the 70s does appear to be a well done book on most of the campaign. However, the Highland Forts action seems limited to only those details mentioned in George Clinton's reports to Washington. Not much there and nothing on the assault upon Fort Montgomery.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Please bookmark this thread if you enjoyed it!


Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 19:25.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.