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Errors in the CH-53 Super Jolly Article

I was excited to see the article because Pacific Aviation Museum has just acquired a Marine CH-53D that was flow in Vietnam, where it had a major crash but was rebuilt. It also allows us to tell the Super Jolly story, along with the original Jolly Green Giant story (we have an H-3).

Unfortunately, the article does not seem to be completely accurate. It mixes information about the CH-53B, which arrived in 1967, with information about the CH-53C, which appeared in Vietnam the following year. The B was a rush job with minimal changes from the Marine Corps CH-53A. Only 8 were built. The CH-53C was a much better aircraft. Forty-four served in Vietnam. The combat loss figure of 14 was correct, but it was for all 52 Air Force Super Jollies. Another three were lost in accidents. Many went down but were recovered and were not counted in these loss totals. The size and performance statistics were also a mix of Beta and Charlie data.

My blog entry on our CH-53D and other CH-53 models will shortly be posted in the blog link on the home page of pacificaviationmuseum.org.

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This author has a habit of mixing facts

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I was excited to see the article because Pacific Aviation Museum has just acquired a Marine CH-53D that was flow in Vietnam, where it had a major crash but was rebuilt. It also allows us to tell the Super Jolly story, along with the original Jolly Green Giant story (we have an H-3).

Unfortunately, the article does not seem to be completely accurate. It mixes information about the CH-53B, which arrived in 1967, with information about the CH-53C, which appeared in Vietnam the following year. The B was a rush job with minimal changes from the Marine Corps CH-53A. Only 8 were built. The CH-53C was a much better aircraft. Forty-four served in Vietnam. The combat loss figure of 14 was correct, but it was for all 52 Air Force Super Jollies. Another three were lost in accidents. Many went down but were recovered and were not counted in these loss totals. The size and performance statistics were also a mix of Beta and Charlie data.

My blog entry on our CH-53D and other CH-53 models will shortly be posted in the blog link on the home page of pacificaviationmuseum.org.

Ra3y
Hi Ra3y: This particular author has a long track record of erroneous articles and mixing facts concerning the weapon he is writing about with other (usually newer) models. Probably his most egregious screw-ups were his previous articles on the Walleye Air-to-Surface Missile and the A-6/EA-6 articles. The M-110 Howitzer ran a close third and the M-48 tank was just about as bad.
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