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Old 05 Feb 12, 17:14
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Do you have an agenda...yes....
Do I have an agenda...absolutely...
Big Oil...of course...
The Green energy crowd...You bet...
Everybody has an agenda......However most people do not advertise or disclose it.

Doc has an agenda...Sure... But to his credit, he has disclosed it in his many posts.
Not no mention that accusing Doc of trying to increase his portfolio by denouncing AGW is a classic ad hominem attack - can't fight the facts, so attack the messenger.The Greentopians and their useful idiots, of course, commit a common error of logic which Doc also does: Appeal to Authority. Their problem is Doc's authority is a lot more authoritative and a hell of a lot more rational.

Modern environmentalism is a religion and they can't even see it's entirely derivative of the biblical Garden of Eden, just as modern socialism is essentially puritanism without a Supreme Being. They've just replaced "God" with a more... secular power.
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John we usually have great discussions and they are always civil!

But on this post I have to disagree.
I removed your name from the originally posted tags as I am using your post as my bully pulpit for a moment... You have summed up so many others arguements in one place so well, that this is not aimed at you specifically but everybody generally.


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Do you have an agenda...yes....
Do I have an agenda...absolutely...
Big Oil...of course...
The Green energy crowd...You bet...
Everybody has an agenda......However most people do not advertise or disclose it.

Doc has an agenda...Sure... But to his credit, he has disclosed it in his many posts.

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The slice of the Earth that they call home may be their whole world. But is still only a tiny sliver of the planet as a whole... And we are discussing global, not regional warming.

It is my interpretation is that the articles and graphs he posts make these claims; he just uses them to continue making his point.


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Isn't that a bit harsh.... The fact that Doc has a stance on the issue is no different from everybody else. The fact that he brings so much info to the table however is different from most everybody else.

I find that most of the time those with whom differing ideas, facts, data or theories no matter what they are; or whose point they are trying to make; is a running joke....
Are generally the same folks who do not, can not, or will not agree with anothers position no matter how much info they bring to the discussion. Our emotions and pre-conceived notions do die hard.

While I could be wrong, but as far as I know Doc has never actually stated that there was no global warming...Just that it was:

A. Not significantly effected by human activity.
B. That it is not nearly as serious an issue as the Eco/En Viromentalist, Green energy crowd would have us believe.
C. A historically recurring issue of the Earth.

Cheers,
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It's because Doc puts weather arguments on the Political forum and then beats them to death, over and over and over again. Sometimes, he has as many as three threads on this subject running simultaneously, and he accepts no science other than what he himself declares "valid", an incredibly egocentric view of anything, let alone science.

Beyond that, we've all seen his charts and graphs a million times.


Before you accuse the members of this forum of being heartless and uncaring, do your homework and learn the opposing viewpoint. Especially learn and accept the fact that climate change in not under human control; therefore, ranting about it endlessly accomplishes nothing at all, except as a pulpit from which the Doctor constantly denigrates every known member of the scientific community.
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We could turn off many of the night lights, but could we really do without them? Would you feel safe on the streets without streetlights? Would stores be safe at night with inside security lighting"?
A bit related: A few years ago a power company and the county got into a disagreement concerning payment.ĘThe county refused to pay any higher prices so the power company decided to cut the power to the street lights until the County paid. However as a side effect the amount of street crimes plummeted.


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A bit related: A few years ago a power company and the county got into a disagreement concerning payment.ĘThe county refused to pay any higher prices so the power company decided to cut the power to the street lights until the County paid. However as a side effect the amount of street crimes plummeted.


Criminal's were afraid of the dark? Or more likely the police put everybody on the streets to deter crime.

Interesting.
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