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Not join NATO, it's not worth war... if Russia were to attack Georgia without cause, they'd receive international condemnation.

Putin, for all his faults, is smarter than that.
I guess you missed the memo about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war.

International condemnation is the biggest joke in the world. The international community denounced both sides in that war, did it solve anything? Nope.

Words don't accomplish anything, unless there's a very large gun behind them, they're nothing.
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I guess you missed the memo about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war.

International condemnation is the biggest joke in the world. The international community denounced both sides in that war, did it solve anything? Nope.

Words don't accomplish anything, unless there's a very large gun behind them, they're nothing.
It's that mindset that maintains war instead of peace on earth.
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It's that mindset that maintains war instead of peace on earth.
That's a huge fallacy and you know it. Hitler started WWII because he was crazy, and he knew Britain and France weren't going to do anything about it. Poor policy on our part has resulted in a situation where despots know that they can get away with virtually anything. They only need to worry when USA threatens them with force. Otherwise, they know that the worst thing that will happen to them will be a tiny, under supplied, under armed UN peacekeeping force for them to chew up.

War is not the product of a mindset and never has been. Humans are inherently violent, and we need to accept that. I guess you missed this video too.

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That's a huge fallacy and you know it. Hitler started WWII because he was crazy, and he knew Britain and France weren't going to do anything about it. Poor policy on our part has resulted in a situation where despots know that they can get away with virtually anything. They only need to worry when USA threatens them with force. Otherwise, they know that the worst thing that will happen to them will be a tiny, under supplied, under armed UN peacekeeping force for them to chew up.

War is not the product of a mindset and never has been. Humans are inherently violent, and we need to accept that. I guess you missed this video too.

I've never advocated for passive anything, I believe we should be firm in our resistance to evil, but I tell you what mate, I will never accept that lives must be lost...

But that's just me, go off and wage your wars (and don't get me wrong I will support you and the troops-not the cause- but the troops)

But if you advocate war, you should be willing to fight in it: that means being able to kill and die for your country, you want to do that, go right ahead...but I value human life (however corrupt it may be) to do so myself
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I've never advocated for passive anything, I believe we should be firm in our resistance to evil, but I tell you what mate, I will never accept that lives must be lost...

But that's just me, go off and wage your wars (and don't get me wrong I will support you and the troops-not the cause- but the troops)

But if you advocate war, you should be willing to fight in it: that means being able to kill and die for your country, you want to do that, go right ahead...but I value human life (however corrupt it may be) to do so myself
Then how do you propose you deal with those who seek to do you harm? How do you defend you country from invaders without killing them?
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Then how do you propose you deal with those who seek to do you harm? How do you defend you country from invaders without killing them?
All I'm saying is, if YOU want a war with those who wish us harm, YOU better be willing to fight, die, and kill in it.

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Then how do you propose you deal with those who seek to do you harm? How do you defend you country from invaders without killing them?
Are you in army now ? Oops how could I forgot you don't will serve because "I have a girlfriend" and "my mom don't wants so".
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Because Putin wants his neighbors to be weak so he can crush them easily. Russia thinks they are entitled to tell their neighbors what to do, and thus any neighbor that does anything to protect their sovereignty would be a threat to the influence they think they deserve.
He only don't wants to have an American puppet regime on his borders. Especially when those regimes kill Russian citizens and soldiers.
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I guess you missed the memo about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war.
Are you sure you read it fully? Russian citizens getting killed as well as peacekeepers. An area where peace was supposed to be uphold by both Russian, Ossetians and Georgians coming under attack. All of them seems like "causes" to me. At least I wouldn´t disagree if Canada took action after getting their peacekeepers killed.

Further if Putin wanted to have Mihos head, what stopped him? Georgian army? In panic. Air force? Annhilated. Navy? Sunk by Russian Paratroopers.

Speaking of that, a lot of guys where predicting that Russia would be back in Georgia by the next summer. For your information it is now December and only a few years later, where is my money?
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Because Putin wants his neighbors to be weak so he can crush them easily.
And why would he want that?
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Like it, Rojik. This illustrates my point in another thread about the USSR. What the Georgians do has sod all to do with Moscow, but here's Putin making threats because he doesn't like it. F**K HIM !!!
Yes... Suddenly Sergey Lavrov is Putin....

Further if you actually look into 888 you would see Mad Miho thinking that he had support of some Western powers, thinking that he had backing he decided to try and deal with a obstacle to join NATO, I don´t remember the law text exactly but it says something like this: If you have territorial disputes you can´t join. That would be Abkhazia and South Ossetia. So anyway in a quick surprise move he would end those disputes by military force. And that went... not so good. As the "support he thought he had never materialized and a little slight miscalculation of the military effectiveness of SO and Abkhazian militia.

In the light of that, Russia is afraid that if Georgia Joins NATO, Saak might start believing things again... Not a good thing! Apart from what I mentioned he also thinks ties is food and seems to hear Russian bombers at times. Not to mention that he saw Russian assassins and spies everywhere in his government for a while...
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In the light of that, Russia is afraid that if Georgia Joins NATO, Saak might start believing things again... Not a good thing! Apart from what I mentioned he also thinks ties is food and seems to hear Russian bombers at times. Not to mention that he saw Russian assassins and spies everywhere in his government for a while...
Except artixle 5 won't work if a Nato member is the agressor. And I'm 100% positive that none of the members would want to bend the rules just so that Georgia would get its territory back.
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Except artixle 5 won't work if a Nato member is the agressor. And I'm 100% positive that none of the members would want to bend the rules just so that Georgia would get its territory back.
Pretty much what I think to, I may not hold Nato in that high regard at all times, but at least they are somewhat sane. But I am not so sure about Saak.
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