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The best Armoured Cars of WW II

Most armed force in WW II fielded armoured cars.
But irrespecive of Nation,
Which do you rate the better ones, but more importantly why:.
What ones do you rate not worth the trouble and why:
Some examples: Humber Mk 1, Morris Mk I & II, Sdkfz 232, Ford M 8,
and AB 40, BA 10.

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My favourite is the Puma.



The best would depend on its role. I've always liked the Dingo as very well armoured (the one in the D-Day museum at Portsmouth has over 2" of armour at the front), small and mobile. This is what I would want to recce with, the prime role of an armoured car.

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My favourite is the Puma.



The best would depend on its role. I've always liked the Dingo as very well armoured (the one in the D-Day museum at Portsmouth has over 2" of armour at the front), small and mobile. This is what I would want to recce with, the prime role of an armoured car.

Nick, your are talking Daimler but showing Humber. Unrelated or error?
The Daimler Dingo must have been good, the Italians copied the vehicle, which gives it a lot of credit in my view. The 4 wheel steering of the Mk I, caused al lot of handling problems (needed more driver training) and was dropped with the Mk II. Like you said a nice little vehicle with a lot going for it.
The German Puma looks an impressive vehicle. Everything looks right about it, but not that many where produced. Although production capacity was available, the Germans considered it, for once, too expensive.
The German eight-wheelers survived for a long time inspite of their complexity. This makes me think that they must have had a lot going for them.
I admit that I have a soft spot for the little Humber, just one of those little things that has no particular rhyme or reason.

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I've got a soft spot for both the Staghound Mk II


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Personal favorites. Not the best by any means.

BA-10 45mm cannon gave it a respectable punch for its weight.



White M2 Scout Car 1 M2HB , 2 .30 cal mgs gave a good weight of fire. That and the fact it could carry 7 infantrymen/scouts in addition made it a mini rolling porcupine.



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My favourite is the Puma.



The best would depend on its role. I've always liked the Dingo as very well armoured (the one in the D-Day museum at Portsmouth has over 2" of armour at the front), small and mobile. This is what I would want to recce with, the prime role of an armoured car.

I'd go with a Puma too. Faster than hell and armed with a 50mm main gun in an enclosed turret, wins the argument for me.
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My favourite is the Puma.



The best would depend on its role. I've always liked the Dingo as very well armoured (the one in the D-Day museum at Portsmouth has over 2" of armour at the front), small and mobile. This is what I would want to recce with, the prime role of an armoured car.

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Nick, your are talking Daimler but showing Humber. Unrelated or error?
The Daimler Dingo must have been good, the Italians copied the vehicle, which gives it a lot of credit in my view. The 4 wheel steering of the Mk I, caused al lot of handling problems (needed more driver training) and was dropped with the Mk II. Like you said a nice little vehicle with a lot going for it.
The German Puma looks an impressive vehicle. Everything looks right about it, but not that many where produced. Although production capacity was available, the Germans considered it, for once, too expensive.
The German eight-wheelers survived for a long time inspite of their complexity. This makes me think that they must have had a lot going for them.
I admit that I have a soft spot for the little Humber, just one of those little things that has no particular rhyme or reason.

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Hi.

I personally think the smaller and faster the better. A large gun is nice but not really necessary for recon. So I go for

- SdKfz 222



- BA-64



- Daimler Dingo




etc.

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No one for some of the Dutch Armoured cars from the start of the war? IIRC some of those where very impressive pieces of kit.
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No one for some of the Dutch Armoured cars from the start of the war? IIRC some of those where very impressive pieces of kit.
Well for some-one twisting my arm. The three types of armoured cars used by the Dutch at the time of the German invasion:
The Swedish built Landsverk 181 and the improved Landsverk 182:
The Panserwagen M-36 (mod. 181), 6x4, engine: Daimler-Benz, petrol 4-stroke 6 in line, 80 bHp/300 rpm, weight 6.100 Kg.
In use with the 1e Eskadron Panserwagens.
Panserwagen M-38 (mod 182) 6x4, engine: Bussing-NAG, petrol 4-stroke, V-8, 150bHp/300 rpm, weight 7.000 Kg.
In use with the 2e Eskadron Panserwagens.
None of the Landsverk designs had floor armour, which at the time (pre-1938) was not considered too much of a problem. To the layman the external diffenrences between the 181 and the 182 model;
Trapezoid shaped front radiator grille v. recangular one. The Panserwagen M-39 (DAF mod P.T.3), 6x, engine: Ford, petrol 4-stroke, V-8, 95 pHp/3600 rpm, weight 5.800 Kg.
The 182 model is wider at the front hence it's rectangular radiator grille v. the trapezoid shaped grille for the 181 model

All of the above armoured cars were equiped with the "same" Landsverk style turret with a 37 mm Bofors quick-fire AT gun. with an independent
M-20 mg.
All vehicles also had front and rear M-20 mgs.
Further more all of the types/makes had a front and auxiliary rear driver's position! Now this is really appreciated if you have to steer the vehicle looking at the outside world through peep slits and periscopes, whist trying to get out of a hot spot.

Most of the Dutch armour was used to protect airfields and consequently saw action for most part against the German Fallschirmjaeger attacking said
airfields. Other than that and some lt. recon work around areas said to be under threat by Fallschirmjager, the Dutch armoured cars did not see much action.
The captured M-36 and M-38 were retained by the German Polizei Dienst the German Police in Holland.
Captured (DAF) M-39 were used by the German SS Polizei Division on the Eastern Front until at least winter 1941/42.

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I'm going to have to go with the Puma. It was very well armed for an Armored Car.
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