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Hamas spreading fear in Gaza

If Hamas keeps up these brazen arrests of prominent Gaza residents, they are just begging for a civil war.

On the flip side, Israel will most certainly benefit from this situation.


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GAZA CITY: A secretive Hamas campaign to catch Palestinians spying for Israel has ensnared some prominent Gaza residents, drawn unusual criticism and highlighted the Islamic militant group's deep fears about being penetrated by agents of the Jewish state.

Though action against accused collaborators is always popular in Gaza and tensions are hardly new in the seaside strip — a crowded and impoverished place that endures a three-year blockade that has kept key supplies scarce and made travel out for most people virtually impossible — this time seems different.

There is widespread shock at some of the well-respected names among those thought to be detained — including two prominent physicians and a respected engineer, alongside members of Hamas itself.

And mostly, there is concern about the extreme secrecy surrounding the arrests. Hamas refuses to say who has been arrested, a policy that has sparked a furious rumor mill since the arrests began earlier in September.

"Everybody in Gaza is under suspicion," said Mukheimar Abu Sada, a Gaza-based political scientist widely known for his independence, describing an atmosphere of fear in Gaza, where collaborators are widely loathed and the preferred method of their punishment is death — either through the courts or vigilantes.

Hamas feels "the government has been completely infiltrated, that Israel knows more about Hamas than what they know of themselves," Abu Sada said.

The Iranian-backed militant group seized control of Gaza from the rival Palestinian Fatah movement in June 2007. Hamas' initial crackdowns were political, targeting Fatah supporters but eventually the net widened, absorbing lawless tribes, human rights groups and extremist Muslims opposed to Hamas' rule.

Along with the crackdowns, Hamas has steadily imposed its strict Muslim lifestyle on traditionally conservative Gazans — banning women from smoking water-pipes, warning cafes not to allow men and women to mix in public, and pressuring women to wear the Muslim headscarf. LINK
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This is what Israel has been hoping for, a house divided can't rule itself.
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The Palestinians in Gaza have been divided before and it did not benefit Israel whatsoever. How can anyone claim they hope for turmoil in Gaza? That's just absurd.

Hamas routs Fatah in Gaza
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It's kinda ironic though that Israel doesn't want one terrorist organisation (Fatah) to be defeated by another terrorist oganisation (Hamas), the irony is dripping off the walls in this one.
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It's kinda ironic though that Israel doesn't want one terrorist organisation (Fatah) to be defeated by another terrorist oganisation (Hamas), the irony is dripping off the walls in this one.
At least the Israelis could talk to Fatah. Thats why Hamas engineered their little coup.
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At least the Israelis could talk to Fatah. Thats why Hamas engineered their little coup.
Likening to the saying "Better the devil you know, than the one you don't".

As i say kinda ironic.
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Yes long live the Free Palestine!
Not to implying that the situation is better in other parts of Dar al Islam abode of peace my a...; only the scapegoat used to justify universal violations of basic human rights and tirany is different.
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This is what Israel has been hoping for, a house divided can't rule itself.
Why would they be "hoping" for it...this is standard Islamic stuff. Rather one should say they were expecting it.
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Why would they be "hoping" for it...this is standard Islamic stuff. Rather one should say they were expecting it.
I could never get that Suni/Sh'ite divide, we should be one, one united Islamic front.
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I could never get that Suni/Sh'ite divide, we should be one, one united Islamic front.
It's the inherent flaw in investing political leaders with religious power. It's pretty hard to find a mutually satisfactory compromise if you were originally on a mission from God. What do you tell your troops? That God changed his mind?
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I could never get that Suni/Sh'ite divide, we should be one, one united Islamic front.
Hey, just be glad you aren't a Christian...
Baptist
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Anglican
Presbyterian
Catholic
Church of Christ
Holiness Church
Church of God
Seventh Day Adventist
Jehovah Witness
Mormon (?)

And then under several of those there are even more divisions (EX: Primitive Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Independent Baptist, etc). Fortunately most of these divisions are not on the militant side.

I have learned not to put my faith in religion but rather I put my faith in Christ...instead of worrying about who's side Christ is on, I just try to be on Christ's side.
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I could never get that Suni/Sh'ite divide, we should be one, one united Islamic front.
Since the whole thing started with the immediate successors to the prophet Mohammed, there has never been one united front among Muslims.
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Here are a couple of very interesting documents...


US embassy cables: Egypt spy chief promises pressure on Hamas



US embassy cables: Israel 'can't afford to be wrong about Iran'

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