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Tbilisi’s Charade

by Elizabeth A. Sterling

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Courting Georgia and all of its imperfections may be an effective way of pulling an emerging democracy into a position where it can more fully develop its democratic institutions, encouraged by the carrot of European Union prospects and preferential relations with the United States, but only if it includes an honest assessment of Gerogia’s semi-authoritarian politics. The potential costs of cozying up to Mr. Saakashvili—losing our credibility as genuine supporters of high democratic ideals and losing Russia’s cooperation on Iran—are simply too high.
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An interesting article, particularly where it appeared. One wonders if the NeoCons are more interested in McCain bashing than actually getting over their Cold War paranoia. I understand that Joe Biden (a man who SHOULD know better), unfortunately, has made similar statements.

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I guess they are following the media tune - during the election campaign it was tactically impossible to make lengthy repudiations of media bias and both candidates spoke more or less along the lines the whole situation was presented in the first days of the conflict. After that the media image of the war stiffened, despite more neutral POV articles appearing with time. At the moment not supporting Georgia would not be viewed positively. At least Obama is not as vehement in his support to Georgia as McCain.

Some tourists I talked to about the US elections the previous summer were quite surpried to learn the Russians didn't expect much from Obama in terms of foreign policy changes. The Russian govermnent also expressed its "cautious optimism" and seems like it was right.
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I guess they are following the media tune - during the election campaign it was tactically impossible to make lengthy repudiations of media bias and both candidates spoke more or less along the lines the whole situation was presented in the first days of the conflict. After that the media image of the war stiffened, despite more neutral POV articles appearing with time. At the moment not supporting Georgia would not be viewed positively. At least Obama is not as vehement in his support to Georgia as McCain.

Some tourists I talked to about the US elections the previous summer were quite surpried to learn the Russians didn't expect much from Obama in terms of foreign policy changes. The Russian govermnent also expressed its "cautious optimism" and seems like it was right.
I think that "cautious optimism" is about right. I would hope that the Obama administration would back off significantly from the expansion of NATO eastward unless they want to include Russia. I believe they've already made significant gestures in redeploying that silly anti-ballistic missile system. I should note that the NATO expansion has a certain inertia of its own rooted in that embarrassingly national streak of ideological (when not worst) evangelism. Although it may not work for Russians, I try to calm myself with words from Shakespeare's MacBeth;

"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
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An interesting article, particularly where it appeared. One wonders if the NeoCons are more interested in McCain bashing than actually getting over their Cold War paranoia. I understand that Joe Biden (a man who SHOULD know better), unfortunately, has made similar statements.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...912655,00.html
Oh, please. The US is not going to act militarily between Georgia and Russia, but please don't be so foolish as to expect the US to acknowledge openly that it is OK for Putin to bully and even absorb Georgia and any of the other former Soviet republics and Bulgaria and to if they so choose. Maybe if Vladimir stos acting like a punk things can actually settle down.
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Oh, please. The US is not going to act militarily between Georgia and Russia, but please don't be so foolish as to expect the US to acknowledge openly that it is OK for Putin to bully and even absorb Georgia and any of the other former Soviet republics and Bulgaria and to if they so choose. Maybe if Vladimir stos acting like a punk things can actually settle down.
Ah, Bulgaria! Gotta remind Putin to put it on the list!

Last time the US was in a similar situation it sent a force to kick the **** out of the WHOLE country and did some regime change. And yes, none of the US servicemen garrisoned there was even hurt to make an excuse for this invasion.

If Putin's a punk by this logic the US is the killer guy from Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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Oh, please. The US is not going to act militarily between Georgia and Russia, but please don't be so foolish as to expect the US to acknowledge openly that it is OK for Putin to bully and even absorb Georgia and any of the other former Soviet republics and Bulgaria and to if they so choose. Maybe if Vladimir stos acting like a punk things can actually settle down.
I think you need to take a more careful look at treaty obligations under NATO (as the previous administration was pushing). As to the verbal posturing, well, that's what the Macbeth quote was all about.
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