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South Ossetian Conflict Discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia over South Ossetia.

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Recent developments in Georgia

There might be nothing to this, as it might be just the police doing what it should and the opposition just seizing the opportunity to smear the government, but I think it gives rise for concern.

Support for Georgia by democracies should not be linked to specific persons. It should be linked to the progress of democracy there. This could be indicated now by showing high level attention to Ms Burjanadze and other prominent figures in Georgia from both the opposition and government aisles.

Saakashvili has done a lot of good for Georgia, however lately his record is not that impressive (and I am not referring to the war). We shouldn't forget the example of Yeltsin where initial progress ended up squandered.
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There might be nothing to this, as it might be just the police doing what it should and the opposition just seizing the opportunity to smear the government, but I think it gives rise for concern.

Support for Georgia by democracies should not be linked to specific persons. It should be linked to the progress of democracy there. This could be indicated now by showing high level attention to Ms Burjanadze and other prominent figures in Georgia from both the opposition and government aisles.

Saakashvili has done a lot of good for Georgia, however lately his record is not that impressive (and I am not referring to the war). We shouldn't forget the example of Yeltsin where initial progress ended up squandered.
Okruashvili, former head of Georgian defense ministry, political refugee living now in Paris, says that Saakhashvili is main threat to Georgia. One third of Georgian population is now in Russia, earning living for them and their relatives in excellent Georgian democracy. In USSR times Georgians were wealthiest among other nationalities. Today they dominate Moscow organized criminality. National cleansing, scandals on sexual ground, spending 500 000 000 US taxpayers money on his residence such are feats of US citizen Saakhashvili. If Yeltsyn was progress, than Trotsky, Lenin and Hitler were biggest democrats according your criteria.
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fareasterner, why the dishonesty? I am sure you know full well that Georgians didn't leave Georgia en masse during Saakashvili's time. They left before the rose revolution. Before the events last August, Saakashvili had turned Georgia around. It's economy was getting on its feet, it was also rapidly reducing corruption and reforming its legislation to be on path for more sustainable growth.

How much of the progress was wiped out remains to be seen, but due to the global crises it is going to difficult to assess which part of the likely losses are due to crises and which part due to Russian attack.

While not an expert I venture to claim that Georgians do not dominate Moscow's organized crime scene. Last I heard it is Solntsevskaya and some other quite Russian gangs. Chechens I believe are as present as always. Tales of Ossetian gang prowess seem to exceed those of the Georgians, although the latter are no doubt present as well.

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