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Old 28 Jan 09, 09:09
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Of course if we could afford it (both financial and men-power wise) it would be the best to hold both Heavy APCs and IFVs, given the fact that we have to compromise, I'd rather settle on the IFV, it is the best solution both for low-intensity and for conventional warfere.

By the way, Syria with it's new doctrine (the 'Close Combat') will resemble Lebanon more than Egypt.

And lastly, given the fact that APCs were always utilized in the IDF the way that IFVs are meant for I would rather have the extra armor and firepower.
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Golani,

on a seperate note, did you use the Tavor or the CAR-15? If you did use the Tavor, what's your impressions of it?
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Well,
The tavor was firstly fully implicated in the Givati bde. in Aug '06-the plan was that every new cycle of enlisted soldiers will get the Tavor and the same rifle will continue with them thorugh their entire service, no matter where they go or what they do, thus among other things, the tavor will gradually push the M-16 family out of the brigade.
The only ones in Givati that are left with M-16/4s are those who joined in March 2006 and they will be released from the army in a month or so, than the whole brigade will be Tavor-based.

Now, the seconed brigade that got the tavor was us-Golani, yet the first cycle that got it was August 2008, that means it's not operational yet.

In the IDF, the regular rifelman (assuming that he is in a place with no Tavors) will have either a car-15 or a sawn-off M16A1 for the first year and half of his service (Sometimes he'll have a Meprolight reflax sight) after that, if he will move on to the operational companies he'll get an M4A1 Carbine usually with a Meprolight reflax, some will get the israeli made MARS reflax sight, depending on how many are available (Usually only officers, platoon sergeants and squad leaders will get it).
If the soldier will move to the HQ company, he'll stay with the car-15+iron sights.

And for yout question- I specificly had the M4A1 Carbine with the meprolight reflax sight.

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I did fire the Tavor on several occasions, not enough though to have a solid opinion on it, all I can say is that it was really weird handling it, after being so used to 'regular' rifles, having the mag. in the back and all the crazy features that rifle has really confused me...
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that remind me of a comment about the american OICW:

"Have you seen the instruction manual? It is thicker than the F16 Manual!"



One of these days we will se an entire infantry battalion deployed in trenches road reading manuals... on hte other side the same... in the middle a sign:

"someone can loan us an informatic engineer?"

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What they insert sawn-off M16's to combat units!? The entire idea was a crime!
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What they insert sawn-off M16's to combat units!? The entire idea was a crime!
Money+pencil pushers (Jobnikim ) > combat effectiveness.
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I beg to differ: it's "money + completely unprofessional pencil pushers"
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Thanks Golani.

I was really hoping for some combat reports on how the Tavor really fared.
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