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US embassy staff in Cuba 'suffered brain injuries'

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Some US embassy staff in Cuba hit by suspected acoustic attacks suffered "mild traumatic brain injury" and permanent hearing loss, a union says.

In the fullest account yet of the impact on workers, the American Foreign Service Association (AFSA) said employees had also suffered "cognitive disruption and brain swelling".

Last month, the US state department said 16 employees had needed treatment.

Cuba has denied any involvement and says it is investigating the reports.

US embassy staff and at least one Canadian began to notice symptoms late last year.
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Another benefit of Obama trying to open diplomatic relations with an evil dictatorship...
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Another benefit of Obama trying to open diplomatic relations with an evil dictatorship...
Like America does not have evil different dictators as freinds
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Roosevelt's] Secretary of State, Sumner Welles, once said "Somoza's a bastard!" And Roosevelt replied, "Yes, but he's our bastard."
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Hush, now. People like to forget that America has been a fine friend to evil men when justified the right way.

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Yes, that's true. But, usually the US picks evil dictators that have some use to the US. Cuba has none. The US gains little or nothing being Castro's friend. We didn't mind Saddam when he was beating on the Iranians. Then he stopped doing that and overran Kuwait. Big mistake. He was no longer our buddy and we stomped the snot out of him for it.
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Yes, that's true. But, usually the US picks evil dictators that have some use to the US. Cuba has none. The US gains little or nothing being Castro's friend. We didn't mind Saddam when he was beating on the Iranians. Then he stopped doing that and overran Kuwait. Big mistake. He was no longer our buddy and we stomped the snot out of him for it.
I always imagined that it came down to the rhetoric vs the reality. Americans have had a tendency to present themselves - even outside that oven of bullshit that is D.C. - as a moral and just people who would stand up for the oppressed and who supported universal concepts like individual rights and liberty.

It never gelled with Americans who would then back presidents who in turn backed murdering and authoritarian dictators. It's not that this behavior was unexpected on the international scene - the enemy of my enemy is my friend ain't new, or rare, sentiment - but there was a bit of a disconnect between the two.

At least when the Soviets backed a Communist regime, it made sense that they too would be authoritarian craphole.
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I always imagined that it came down to the rhetoric vs the reality. Americans have had a tendency to present themselves - even outside that oven of bullshit that is D.C. - as a moral and just people who would stand up for the oppressed and who supported universal concepts like individual rights and liberty.

It never gelled with Americans who would then back presidents who in turn backed murdering and authoritarian dictators. It's not that this behavior was unexpected on the international scene - the enemy of my enemy is my friend ain't new, or rare, sentiment - but there was a bit of a disconnect between the two.

At least when the Soviets backed a Communist regime, it made sense that they too would be authoritarian craphole.
I think in Cuba's case it came down to Obama being a Leftist who had some almost fantasy view of Castro and Communism in Cuba rather than a pragmatic and realistic view of foreign policy.

After all, his administration was siding with Argentina over the Falklands at the OAS. I could see Obama buying the fantasy crap about Che that the Left loves and thinking that he was doing what was right in terms of Social and Economic Justice.

A more reality grounded politician would be doing what's going to get him some personal goal and forward his career when it comes to foreign policy rather than play personal politics.
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What would the point of such an attack be?

Nausea? Deafness? Inability to process visa applications? Other than mere pettiness, what would the goal be?
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What would the point of such an attack be?

Nausea? Deafness? Inability to process visa applications? Other than mere pettiness, what would the goal be?
It does look like an incredibly stupid thing to do - after years of trying to get the USA to recognise one diplomatically why when you've succeeded would you want to start measures that might well end it?
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'mild traumatic brain injury' , not sure if that is the Doc trying to make the patient feel better.
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'mild traumatic brain injury' , not sure if that is the Doc trying to make the patient feel better.
Don't confuse medical terminology with vernacular speech. A trauma merely means an injury to the medic so a mild traumatic brain injury means a mild brain injury. Slight concussion would be similarly described.
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We had a thread about a month ago of US Embassy in Argentina(?) under acoustic attack.
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Just listened to a BBC Inside Science item on this. It was pointed out that yes you could cause damage with a sonic device and with an inaudible infra-sound one BUT the energy required would not allow it to be covert as furniture in the rooms would visibly vibrate as would the window panes and any dust lying around. Ultra-sound would need to be transmitted so close to the victims' skulls as to be rather obvious. However it was pointed out that there are CHEMICALS around that can create the same symptoms.
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Do people on this thread understand that Obama didn't actually take on Cuba as an ally? He just pulled back on some of the frankly mindless & pointless (except for internal US political purposes) hostility to Cuba. It isn't remotely the same thing.

America has diplomatic relations & does business with damned near everyone. That included Hitler, Stalin, Mao & a collection of nasties that doesn't bear thinking about. Have a guess who Venezuela's largest trading partner is? What Obama did in Cuba was no more than every US President has been doing for well over a century - have formal diplomatic relations with an unpleasant nation. That is it.
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