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Anyone practice Zen Archery and can talk about the role of the mind in aiming? Is it an "empty mind" like the samurai swordsmen?
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Obviously no experience.

Awa Kenzo, a Zen archery master, observed, "Shooting is to study the mind. Throw away form to understand form. Throw away mind to grasp mind. Utilize nothing to create something, and use that something to shoot an arrow."

"Do not focus on the center of the target. The sound of the arrow hitting the target should simultaneously hit the center of your being. That instant is a divine, mystical experience."
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Maybe I should have used this ...

There is in firearms shooting a similar concept of "intuitative aiming" where form over-rides conscious direction and "feels" the target aligned with the weapon ... ~ zing!
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Maybe I should have used this ...

There is in firearms shooting a similar concept of "intuitative aiming" where form over-rides conscious direction and "feels" the target aligned with the weapon ... ~ zing!
While aware of that shooting approach, I am not into guns. Do you know the method for teaching the skill?
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No, haven't chased it down yet. Been close to two years since last at range.
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Any Armed Assault III wargamers here?
It's bloody difficult holding your crosshairs on a distant tank when you fire an unlocked missile because you have to keep making miniscule mouse movements to keep it on track, and need fierce concentration to hold the hairs steady.
So yeah, I can well understand why some archers use Zen to achieve that concentration on the target..

Nice precision shot...
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"I don't move the arrow with my mind!" Yondu.

Mystic poo-poo is still poo-poo.
Obviously no experience; no tolerance for others' beliefs(unfortunately, a tolerance that we have lost in a constitutional democracy and on this website).

Agree, the mind does not move arrows. But there is something to the eye-hand aiming that involves the mind. In fact, American quarterbacks will talk about being in the "zone" for their hitting receivers, as well as players in other sports. Western science does not have an answer for this phenomenon.

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Obviously no experience; no tolerance for others' beliefs(unfortunately, a tolerance that we have lost in a constitutional democracy and on this website).

Agree, the mind does not move arrows. But there is something to the eye-hand aiming that involves the mind. In fact, American quarterbacks will talk about being in the "zone" for their hitting receivers, as well as players in other sports. Western science does not have an answer for this phenomenon.

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Magic doesn't work. Just so you know.
You're the only one talking about magic. We are talking about mastering mental-physical instincts from an eastern perspective.

Again, I think we are beyond your experience. Or, am I wrong and you have studied eastern martial arts for more than a year?
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Obviously no experience; no tolerance for others' beliefs(unfortunately, a tolerance that we have lost in a constitutional democracy and on this website).

Agree, the mind does not move arrows. But there is something to the eye-hand aiming that involves the mind. In fact, American quarterbacks will talk about being in the "zone" for their hitting receivers, as well as players in other sports. Western science does not have an answer for this phenomenon.

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My attempt at humor aside, curious as to what type of bow you are training with ?
Four Types of Archery Bows
https://www.livestrong.com/article/1...-archery-bows/

You make it sound like you may be using the classic longbow.
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My attempt at humor aside, curious as to what type of bow you are training with ?
Four Types of Archery Bows
https://www.livestrong.com/article/1...-archery-bows/

You make it sound like you may be using the classic longbow.
My interest is in the role of the mind in zen archery. I am not using a bow; rather, I am a shooter in the French game of petanque. With twenty plus years experience in various eastern martial arts and weapons, I never pursued zen archery, but I have an appreciation of the eastern mind in this art and believe it has an applicability for a western 'shooter'
in petanque for aiming and throwing a 72-76mm steel ball (boule in French) to strike and knock out a target ball (72-76mm) at distances between 6 to 10 plus meters. Perfect hit on the target can result in the shooting ball replacing the target ball (which usually held a scoring point).
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My interest is in the role of the mind in zen archery. I am not using a bow; rather, I am a shooter in the French game of petanque. With twenty plus years experience in various eastern martial arts and weapons, I never pursued zen archery, but I have an appreciation of the eastern mind in this art and believe it has an applicability for a western 'shooter'
in petanque for aiming and throwing a 72-76mm steel ball (boule in French) to strike and knock out a target ball (72-76mm) at distances between 6 to 10 plus meters. Perfect hit on the target can result in the shooting ball replacing the target ball (which usually held a scoring point).
FYI ~ petanque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9tanque
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