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Originally Posted by Draco View Post
Michelle,
Your ability to mix information is amusing.
The Germans did not lose 4 U-boats per warship, actually, they lost extremely few U-boats sinking the warships (including carriers and BBs).
We are talking about late 1941 and the 1st trimester of 1942 in this thread. By late April 1942 the allies had lost incredible shipping t and most of the warships sunk by extremely few U-boats in WW II and the U-boats had suffered ridiculously few losses.
She's mathematically accurate. Her figures are: The Germans lost 1158 U-boats. They sank 187 war ships. 1158 / 187 = 4.41 U-boats per warship.


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Perhaps the greatest tribute to allied incompetence is the 2nd happy time in which a number of subs comparable to the number of IJN subs I am deploying in the E Pacific sank hundreds of ships along the US coast. These subs were smaller than IJN subs and were deployed all the way from France past strong RN defenses. The allies experienced these enormous losses in urgently needed materiel, men and ships mostly because they wasted huge forces in silly raids such as the Marshalls, Wake, Marcus and Doolittle. In this scenario the axis are operating from much closer bases in Hawaii and E. Island, so that each sub can perform more missions and spend more time attacking, instead of shuttleing to and from base to the front. These subs also have longer range and much better torpedoes than those used by Germany in the first years of the war.
From December 1941 to August 1942 off the US East Coast the US lost 249 merchant ships and this "warship" (YP-389)



The Germans used 60 U-boats (want their numbers?). That comes out to an average of 4 merchant sinkings per submarine engaged.

They lost 9 boats in return.
It wasn't the quality of US ASW that hurt them, but rather the quantity.
There simply weren't enough ships and aircraft to cover thousands of miles of coastline.

Shipping on the West Coast is lighter than the East Coast. The US Pacific Fleet stopped all independent sailing on the West Coast a few days after Pearl Harbor and didn't resume merchant sailings for about 5 weeks at which point convoys were instituted.
This was easier to do on the West Coast as there are only a few large ports to deal with.
So, unlike the Germans the Japanese would soon run dry of targets. They wouldn't sink any warships most likely either.
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