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Old 26 Feb 12, 04:41
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The Red Army of 1941 was a decrepit shell of the Red Army that had led the world in 1936 with the development of airborne and air-landed forces, strategic bombing, mechanized warfare and chemical weapons. Scott Fraser
AFAIK decrepit shell of Red Army in 1941 was 3 times bigger than in 1937. There is no military without economy; difference in state of affairs in USSR industry in 1937 and 1941 was big.
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This state affairs came about from two central events. The Red Army of 1936 was very capable, led by Tukhachevsky, a visionary who advocated all these progressive concepts. Scott Fraser
Red Army led by military genius Tukhachevsky failed miserably in Poland in 1920. He excelled himself mostly suppressing Russian peasants uprising. He promoted idea about tank army of 100 000 tanks, even Rezun characterize it as idiocy. Just imagine number of personnel and logistic problems.
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In May 1937 he was arrested, the start of the Yezhovshchina, the decapitation of the Red Army, where he and most of his "progessive' colleagues were summarily arrested and executed.
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Shaposhnikov, Vaslievsky, Merezkov, Rokossovsky, Konev, Zhukov, many others, and Stalin at last - do you seriously think them were no match for Tukhachevsky who never was in any large scale action? All anti-Stalinists take for granted that all repressed in 1937 were innocent and military geniuses; they count even those demobilized because of age, health problems, incompetence or morale degradation (alcoholism) as poor innocent victims.
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Stalin's position seems clear. The last thing he wanted was a two-front war with Germany and Japan. Hitler was greatly overstepping himself, France and Britain were moving to war, and his own army was obsolete, with ideas and equipment that were out of date.
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Out of date was all country, economically and culturally Russia in 1930 was 50-100 years behind of main European rivals. You must add here cold climate, unfavorable for agriculture, big distances with bad roads and swampy land making logistic problem.

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In any case, from the Kremlin, a war between capitalists was a good thing. Scott Fraser
There is saying that other’s sorrow is our joy. War between Germany and USSR was considered as good thing by Poland, France, Britain, Italy, Finland, Romania… So they denied alliance with USSR. Soviet propaganda often repeated words by USA vice-president Truman about war between Germany and USSR: let them kill each other as much as they can.

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Stalin was many things, but he was not messianic like Hitler or even Lenin. The record says otherwise, most recently the destruction of the Comintern and execution of the 'Trotskyists'. His obsession was Stalin, his own position and security, and by extension that of the Soviet Union, which had always been besieged by enemies in his lifetime.
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Russia always was/is besieged with enemies. Tsar Alexander II told to his son that Russia has only two reliable allies - its Army and Navy.

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