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Blitzpuppy 23 Jan 09 00:14

Ralph Peters' January 22 Update - The Pullout
 
With Israeli troops on their way home, analyst Ralph Peters raises questions about a "halfway war."

Read his latest here:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-h...l-and-gaza.htm

Double Deuce 24 Jan 09 08:14

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Originally Posted by Blitzpuppy (Post 1102092)
With Israeli troops on their way home, analyst Ralph Peters raises questions about a "halfway war."

Read his latest here:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-h...l-and-gaza.htm

I'm betting any war/conflict over this area will always be a "halfway war" at least until someone cross the magic wmd threshold. Then, all bets are off.

GCoyote 24 Jan 09 22:58

I believe the operation could have seriously crippled Hamas only if the IDF had actionable intell on a pretty large segement of its leadership. Even then, they could only bag so many in a day leaveing the others to vanish.

My guess is that the government is being pragmatic here. They might have destoyed a few more weapons caches and removed a few more senior Hamas people but have passed the point of diminishing returns. They are under no illusion that this would ever have been a final showdown with Hamas in any sense.

Golani 25 Jan 09 01:52

But the question is-can you destroy a terror (or for the matter a guerilla) organization meraly by chopping it's head(s) off?

We all though that after we kill Yasin everything will be better, it only got worse with Haniya, same with Abas Mosawi and his successor Hassan Nasralla (and many other examples...)

GCoyote 25 Jan 09 12:38

My answer would be no in the case of Hamas
 
An organization this large always has plenty of people waiting to move up in the ranks.

If this were a smaller organization or based on a cult of personality, a leadership focused strategy might work. But Hamas has been engaged in grass roots politics for a number of years seems to have more than enough depth to withstand a very long conflict.

Golani 27 Jan 09 13:06

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Originally Posted by GCoyote (Post 1104558)
An organization this large always has plenty of people waiting to move up in the ranks.

If this were a smaller organization or based on a cult of personality, a leadership focused strategy might work. But Hamas has been engaged in grass roots politics for a number of years seems to have more than enough depth to withstand a very long conflict.

True and same goes for most of the world terror organizations.
Than why do we (as in the west) still insist on this stretgy?
What is the most effective way to defet a terror/guerilla group, without genocide (or massively hitting civilians) or a military based on counter-guerilla, just with a regular army?

GCoyote 31 Jan 09 14:19

If think military force must be used sometimes because there are no other good options. Ultimately if you could cut off Hamas sources of external funding they'd dry up and blow away. Unfortunately there are many wealthy Arabs with petro-dollars available to support their favorites causes not to mention the Iranians.

Bottom line, come up with a way to run the world without oil and Hamas will be back to throwing rocks in short order.


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