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Nick the Noodle 15 Jul 10 15:10

Parallel Universes - Yeh or Nay
 
“There is no one reality. Each of us lives in a separate universe. That's not speaking metaphorically. This is the hypothesis of the stark nature of reality suggested by recent developments in quantum physics. Reality in a dynamic universe is non-objective. Consciousness is the only reality.” Professor M. R. Franks

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress...and-beyond.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
http://science.howstuffworks.com/parallel-universe.htm

Do parallel universes exist?

The Doctor 15 Jul 10 15:44

Physical cosmology points to three possibilities to explain the "fine tuning" of our Universe:

1) A Multiverse of an infinite number of parallel universes.

2) God.

3) Top-Down Cosmology... The Universe is as it is because it is observed.
Quote:

[Hertog] and Hawking call their theory 'top-down' cosmology, because instead of looking for some fundamental set of initial physical laws under which our Universe unfolded, it starts 'at the top', with what we see today, and works backwards to see what the initial set of possibilities might have been. In effect, says Hertog, the present 'selects' the past...

LINK

LRB 15 Jul 10 16:31

Wonderful for a cheap buzz and I love reading it, but in the end not much use in your life :)

Won't pay the bills, make your life easier or solve world issues :)

Torien 15 Jul 10 20:09

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Originally Posted by les Brains (Post 1539810)
Wonderful for a cheap buzz and I love reading it, but in the end not much use in your life :)

Won't pay the bills, make your life easier or solve world issues :)

Well, maybe not in your universe... but in mine I printed this article out, cut it into neat little strips and went and bought 3 dozen donuts with it.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...mobdough_2.jpg

:whist:

Mountain Man 16 Jul 10 12:34

If each of us lives in our own universe, interaction with others who observe the same phenomena would not/could not occur.

Strike One.

If there were a superior being who created everything, it would have to have evolved such vast powers and capabilities over vast amounts of time; therefore it would not have been in existence at Creation, and so could not have been the root cause. Dawkins, paraphrased.

Strike Two.

Saying that the universe is formed by our observations is a twisted and distorted form of logic that has little to no place in reality. What we observe is what is, period. The shadow logic that says that by observing something, we change that something is only sustainable if it can be absolutely proven that we did, in fact, change it and can prove what it was before and the process by which that change took place. It also fails to take into account observation by other species which conflict with our observations. Therefore, the Universe/Cosmos - the real term is, in fact, Cosmos - is what it is regardless of our presence, and will remain so after we are gone.

Strike Three.

Are there parallel universes. Maybe, maybe not. We are in no way equipped at the moment to observe such phenomena or to intelligently interpret such observations. Frankly, however, I doubt is, since the energy involved has to come from somewhere. Additionally, parallel cosmos would mean multiple Creators to the God crowd, and that would be not only unacceptable, but totally devastating.

The Doctor 16 Jul 10 12:40

Quantum theory won't let you know how many strikes you get... :cool:

Mountain Man 16 Jul 10 12:43

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Originally Posted by The Doctor (Post 1540488)
Quantum theory won't let you know how many strikes you get... :cool:

There were three arguments presented and three strikes. Rational observation does let you know, unless you still believe that by counting the number of arguments you actually changed that number from what it originally was. :nuts: :whist:

I am reminded of the following comment from a film: "Too many mind..."

Nick the Noodle 18 Jul 10 07:40

If there are an infinite amount of 1 dimensions in a 2 dimensional object, and an infinite number of 2 dimensions in a 3 dimensional object, wouldn't there be an infinite number of 3 dimensions in a 4 dimensional object?

We are told there are more than 3 dimensions so that would mean an infinite amount of 3 dimension? Is that logical? More importantly is that right?

The Doctor 18 Jul 10 08:42

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Originally Posted by Nick the Noodle (Post 1541823)
If there are an infinite amount of 1 dimensions in a 2 dimensional object, and an infinite number of 2 dimensions in a 3 dimensional object, wouldn't there be an infinite number of 3 dimensions in a 4 dimensional object?

We are told there are more than 3 dimensions so that would mean an infinite amount of 3 dimension? Is that logical? More importantly is that right?

Mathematically speaking, there are an infinite number of dimensions.

Physical evidence only exists for four dimensions: Three spatial and one temporal.

Nick the Noodle 18 Jul 10 09:12

11 dimensions I heard, but that may be different types :).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

This is the BBC's take on parallel universes.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHzU3fgID3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVfw1XOIFGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mLF23JzKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjzj4RvJFgo

The Doctor 18 Jul 10 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick the Noodle (Post 1541850)

String Theory is something in between the observed world and the mathematically possible.

Nick the Noodle 18 Jul 10 12:30

I'll probably have to buy these :)

http://0.tqn.com/d/physics/1/0/0/2/-/-/stfdcover.jpghttp://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6...1751413xf0.jpghttp://img.infibeam.com/img/6d9519e2...0470381885.jpg

although this one caught my eye :laugh:

http://liquidnitrogen.us/wordpress/w...or-dummies.png

Torien 18 Jul 10 12:42

Very funny Nick!
:laugh:

The Doctor 18 Jul 10 12:58

I learned how to juggle from reading Juggling for Dummies!

Nick the Noodle 18 Jul 10 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Doctor (Post 1542026)
I learned how to juggle from reading Juggling for Dummies!

:cool:


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